Comments on: The Bombing of Naco http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/ News and tales from the U.S.-Mexico border, covering immigration, politics, organized crime, Homeland Security, corruption and drug trafficking. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:34:31 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Rebecca Orozco http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/comment-page-1/#comment-8970 Rebecca Orozco Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:06:25 +0000 http://borderreporter.com/?p=283#comment-8970 We continue to seek "conclusive" proof although what we have has been enough for the State Historic Perservation Office to grant a Heritage Fund Grant to start work on the camp's preservation. Part of the money will be used to fund a research trip to the archives to seek documents. The historians at Ft Huachuca have accepted what we have and now support an army role at the camp. Most of the document relevant to that time period were removed when the fort went through decommssioning in the 1950s. They do not believe the lack of documentation is in any way indicative of the camp not being built by the military. Many of the records that were taken from Ft Huachuca were destroyed in a fire at the military archives in St Louis a few years back but we still believe there will be documents out ther and we hope to find them. The congressional record indicates that funding was made in that time period for a number of camps. Naco is on the list and the camp plans are described as calling for an adobe brick camp for Naco. We continue to seek “conclusive” proof although what we have has been enough for the State Historic Perservation Office to grant a Heritage Fund Grant to start work on the camp’s preservation. Part of the money will be used to fund a research trip to the archives to seek documents. The historians at Ft Huachuca have accepted what we have and now support an army role at the camp. Most of the document relevant to that time period were removed when the fort went through decommssioning in the 1950s. They do not believe the lack of documentation is in any way indicative of the camp not being built by the military. Many of the records that were taken from Ft Huachuca were destroyed in a fire at the military archives in St Louis a few years back but we still believe there will be documents out ther and we hope to find them. The congressional record indicates that funding was made in that time period for a number of camps. Naco is on the list and the camp plans are described as calling for an adobe brick camp for Naco.

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]]> By: R. P. Hudson http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/comment-page-1/#comment-8968 R. P. Hudson Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:58:19 +0000 http://borderreporter.com/?p=283#comment-8968 Mr. Ferguson: Ms. Orozco has you "out documented". Mr. Ferguson: Ms. Orozco has you “out documented”.

]]> By: Paul Ferguson http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/comment-page-1/#comment-8965 Paul Ferguson Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:13:40 +0000 http://borderreporter.com/?p=283#comment-8965 What does Fort Huachuca say? They say we don't know anything about this. Why would the army build something and not take credit for it. If the army built it,which has not been proved, it was a back door deal for someone. Myths die hard. What does Fort Huachuca say? They say we don’t know anything about this. Why would the army build something and not take credit for it. If the army built it,which has not been proved, it was a back door deal for someone. Myths die hard.

]]> By: Rebecca Orozco http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/comment-page-1/#comment-8963 Rebecca Orozco Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:39:54 +0000 http://borderreporter.com/?p=283#comment-8963 Actually I believe we have considerable evidence that the camp was built by the US Military. In addition to the oral histories of local residents including the Newells, and Fred Valenzuela, the CCC themselves said in their newspaper and in their records for the camp that it was constructed by the US military for the Black troops. We have the request before the County board of supervisors in 1919 by the Army Quartermaster to build the camp on that site, we have the newspaper reports from 1919 that say the materials have arrived and reporting on the plans to build the camp at that site as part of a nation wide "wall" and we have the contract to the architect by the Army in 1919 for the camp. We have arial photos by the US Army as part of an inventory of camps that show Camp Newell in 1924. WE have the tax records showing the camp when the military turned the land back to the Newell family. There is far more evidence of the military building and using the camp than there is evidence against it. Actually I believe we have considerable evidence that the camp was built by the US Military. In addition to the oral histories of local residents including the Newells, and Fred Valenzuela, the CCC themselves said in their newspaper and in their records for the camp that it was constructed by the US military for the Black troops. We have the request before the County board of supervisors in 1919 by the Army Quartermaster to build the camp on that site, we have the newspaper reports from 1919 that say the materials have arrived and reporting on the plans to build the camp at that site as part of a nation wide “wall” and we have the contract to the architect by the Army in 1919 for the camp. We have arial photos by the US Army as part of an inventory of camps that show Camp Newell in 1924. WE have the tax records showing the camp when the military turned the land back to the Newell family. There is far more evidence of the military building and using the camp than there is evidence against it.

]]> By: Paul Ferguson http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/comment-page-1/#comment-8960 Paul Ferguson Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:09:05 +0000 http://borderreporter.com/?p=283#comment-8960 Sorry post should have said Camp Newell. Camp Newell was a CCC camp. Had nothing to do with the US Army. Sorry post should have said Camp Newell. Camp Newell was a CCC camp. Had nothing to do with the US Army.

]]> By: Paul Ferguson http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/comment-page-1/#comment-8959 Paul Ferguson Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:35:26 +0000 http://borderreporter.com/?p=283#comment-8959 Rebecca Orozco has no evidence that what she calls Camp Naco was in existence in 1919. There is no connection between that camp and the US Army. Rebecca Orozco has no evidence that what she calls Camp Naco was in existence in 1919. There is no connection between that camp and the US Army.

]]> By: Rebecca Orozco http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/comment-page-1/#comment-8958 Rebecca Orozco Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:13:58 +0000 http://borderreporter.com/?p=283#comment-8958 I forgot to answer the question about being drunk--probably. Legend is that the bombs were assembled in suit cases, he had a Jenny BiPlane, his bombadier was the guy who hired him from Escobar's troops. He had a cigar with which he would light the fuses, then toss them out as Murphy made his pass. Most landed on the wrong side of the border... I forgot to answer the question about being drunk–probably. Legend is that the bombs were assembled in suit cases, he had a Jenny BiPlane, his bombadier was the guy who hired him from Escobar’s troops. He had a cigar with which he would light the fuses, then toss them out as Murphy made his pass. Most landed on the wrong side of the border…

]]> By: Rebecca Orozco http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/comment-page-1/#comment-8957 Rebecca Orozco Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:46:51 +0000 http://borderreporter.com/?p=283#comment-8957 Actually I think it was only periferally associated with the Cristero rebellion. IThe Cristero movement pretty much died out or was smashed in response to the assassination of Alvaro Obregon, the president elect in the 1927 election by an alleged Cristero. But Obregon's place was taken by an appointed "provisional president" Emiliano Portes Gil. The rebellion, often called the Topete Rebellion after General Bonifacio Topete, was actually led by General Jose Gonzalo Escobar, who felt the provisional presidency was illegal and wanted to be named president instead. Escobar was a very influential general and he had extensive support. It was a bloody fight which destroyed much of the economy of the country and killed more than 3000 people. It is also sometimes called the Bank and Railroad Rebellion because of the near mortal blow it dealt to those institutions. The Naco fight was basically a sideshow. Murphy was a mercenary hired by Escobar to attack the federal garrison in Naco. He failed miserably at the job. Escobar fled to exile in Canada but went back to Mexico where he died in 1969. Actually I think it was only periferally associated with the Cristero rebellion. IThe Cristero movement pretty much died out or was smashed in response to the assassination of Alvaro Obregon, the president elect in the 1927 election by an alleged Cristero. But Obregon’s place was taken by an appointed “provisional president” Emiliano Portes Gil. The rebellion, often called the Topete Rebellion after General Bonifacio Topete, was actually led by General Jose Gonzalo Escobar, who felt the provisional presidency was illegal and wanted to be named president instead. Escobar was a very influential general and he had extensive support. It was a bloody fight which destroyed much of the economy of the country and killed more than 3000 people. It is also sometimes called the Bank and Railroad Rebellion because of the near mortal blow it dealt to those institutions. The Naco fight was basically a sideshow. Murphy was a mercenary hired by Escobar to attack the federal garrison in Naco. He failed miserably at the job. Escobar fled to exile in Canada but went back to Mexico where he died in 1969.

]]> By: Rocio http://borderreporter.com/2007/09/the-border-report-14/comment-page-1/#comment-8956 Rocio Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:01:06 +0000 http://borderreporter.com/?p=283#comment-8956 Sadly, some of these "revolutionaries" have, sometimes, the same judgment range of drunks. Take for instance, the recent disruptions on the reports regarding the Iraq surge. Those activists didn't look much better than disruptive, drunken frat boys. What did they accomplish? To suggest that there are people who dislike this war or the way it's being handle? Please, tell us something we don't already now. So, to get back to your question, perhaps Mr. Murphy was drunken with the desire for revolution, which he just happened to mistake with explosive disruption. Sadly, some of these “revolutionaries” have, sometimes, the same judgment range of drunks.

Take for instance, the recent disruptions on the reports regarding the Iraq surge. Those activists didn’t look much better than disruptive, drunken frat boys. What did they accomplish? To suggest that there are people who dislike this war or the way it’s being handle? Please, tell us something we don’t already now.

So, to get back to your question, perhaps Mr. Murphy was drunken with the desire for revolution, which he just happened to mistake with explosive disruption.

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