Advantage: Chapo?
Jul 8th, 2008 | By Michel Marizco | Category: General News, Organized Crime, Politics
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THE BORDER REPORT
Whoever did the hit cut the legs of their victims off at the knees, then decapitated the three men, leaving the bodies in a car at a busy Culiacán, Sinaloa, intersection.
The salacious murders of the cartels have all the plot line of a snuff film these days; one atrocity after another, war without end.
But what grabbed my interest was a note attached to one of the bodies, scrawled with a pen on crumpled piece of paper. “Here you go, Arturo Beltrán Leyva … Quit putting up those banners and leaving messages lying around; why don’t you meet me pecho a pecho.”
Bingo.
I’ve long wondered why this kind of showdown doesn’t happen more often; frankly it would solve most of Mexico’s national security crises and at the same time, offer up a decisive win in quien los tiene mas grande.
Stroll through Colonia Las Quintas in Culiacán and $10,000 will land you a hired gun; then those guys go down and you’re back where you started. Nobody particularly important goes down. It’d be interesting if, for once, someone big stepped up, in a quick-draw, Mexican standoff fashion and settled this thing.
So let me be the first to propose it; a once and for all gunfight between two handpicked sicarios chingones, one from Badiraguato, one from Navolato. Winner takes Arizona.
It would establish an appropriate end to an act of this narco-theatre that has played for some five years now. For the machismo of the drug trade, there can be no more satisfying conclusion; two top boss rivals, man to man.
There would be an act worthy of a true narco-corrido, giving this underworld something to talk about that would rival the Pablo Acosta showdown on the Ojinaga border twenty years ago.
Consider what we’re facing now:
A split in the Sinaloa factions last spring left Arturo Beltrán Leyva on the outs with his old friend Joaquín Shorty Guzmán. Beltrán joined forces with the Zetas and apparently with Vicente Carrillo Fuentes and is now in a pitched battle with the Sinaloans.
The Sinaloans, the longest running narco-bosses in Latin America, now find themselves fighting a war with three fronts, to the north, to the east and in their hometown.
Apparently, they’re starting to think the same thing I am; it’s no wonder they’re offering to settle this máno a máno.
The move smells of desperation, and maybe frustration. Logistically, one has to wonder how long the Sinaloans can keep this war up. Of course they’re pulling in billions from the global narcotics trade, but what about their infrastructure? Simply put, can they keep enough men on the streets and guns coming in to repel all the other cartels?
Some of these fights, the Sinaloans picked themselves. Take Juárez for example. The border city war was always interesting to watch; nobody was supposed to move into Juárez, that place was essentially a gift to Vicente because of everyone’s love for Amado Carrillo. But there they came, trying to establish a new entry port in spite of the Juárez Cartel’s ownership.
Before that, Nuevo Laredo, where, and some may disagree with me but, I believe they lost that corridor into Texas.
To the west, the last word on Tijuana was that the Sinaloans were establishing agreements with the remnants of the Arellano Felix family to control that city.
Everywhere you look, the theatre replays itself; the Sinaloans are hounded throughout the entire country.
Or are they doing the hounding?
“Chapo rules,” says an old friend, an agent with the U.S. Justice Department with whom I can discuss these cases like the post-Sunday football games they’ve become.
“They tried to take him in Nuevo Laredo; they failed. They tried in Tijuana; they failed. They tried in Acapulco; they failed. They tried in Sonora; they failed. Then he moved into Juárez. There they go now, rolling into Juárez, and they haven’t been able to stop him yet.
“Nobody’s going to stop the Sinaloans,” my guy says.
He may be right, but I’m going to start arguing for a showdown because, frankly, it’s getting a little old.
– Michel Marizco
One article per week?
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Chapo & Mayo’s people are offering $500,000 per hit. We are talking about hits on high liutenants in the Beltran Leyva oraganization. Its sounds like desperation on Guzman & Zambada. If you ask me…what happened to el BRAVO, el FANTASMA & MACHO PRIETO? Was it just that hype?
Right now in Sinaloa, Manuel Torres Felix(aka el M1, el Ondeado, brother of Javier Torrez Felix and a high lietenant in the Zambada organization, is getting annihilated by Arturo Beltran’s people.
Zambada & Guzman are no where to be found in Sinaloa. Word has it that they and all of their people are in the Jalisco area. But they can kiss Sinaloa good-bye.
Los Avendano, a large narco family from Sinaloa, all work for Arturo Beltran. But the man that controls the PLAZA (all of sinaloa)for el Botas Blanks is el PUMA/GUACHO.
Lastly, why do you only refer to CHAPO & MAYO as “sinaloans?” Arturo Beltran Leyva is also a native of Sinaloa–born and raise in La Palma, Badiraguato. As for Acapulco…that’s all Arturo’s territory. So is all of Sonora, Durango & Sinaloa. It seems that Chapo’s only stronghold is part of Jalisco.
You can tally up the numbers…ARTURO IS WINNING THE WAR!
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What is this?… Escolar.net II part?.
Let the guy work, he’s only one analist of the narco war in Mexico and most of us surely like how is he doing.
Nobody is winning nothing!, this is not a sport competition and the losser is Mexico.
What are they winning?, did you know about the narco whose daugther[10] was brutally tortured to death because the opposites did’n find him at home?. Could some killer feel himself like a winner for such atrocity?, can you considere a hero to some one of this narcos?… Come on!.
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amen to that d-platinum, also there is a little surprise for the milkman and the dog rider in guadalajara, good ol’ edgar valdez villarreal, and for the record, if m1 wants to avenge his son’s death,like he’s been doing lately, he should try waxing his own people (if you know what i mean).
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Why do most overlook the violence factor in all these things? The torture, rapes, mutilations. This is not all about drugs, this is a bordertown whos noriety has come from its callousness and coldness beyond imagination. These are united psychopaths. They torture, and leave there MOs and their signatures. Every body part removal has a message to it ( legs,-running, tongue-talking etc.) Even here in California I spoke with someone whom was very familiar with whats going on and talked of the endless tunnels (Like that border wall makes a hill of beans) and how there are websites where you can order body parts for a fee (guess where they come from?) This is a fallacy to think it is truly about drugs. I believe man is capable of all things the same as there brother in most situations, except one: Sadism…..there is no survival need for sadistic acts, those who participate do it for pleasure. The fact that they end up in organized psychopathic business is no surprise, but take a way the drugs, and you will still have a bunch of bored psycho’s.
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My response tommorrow.
But let me just say this. El Chapo is fighting everybody in Mexico and he has yet have his gunmen resort to kidnapping, extoring or robbing like all the rest of his enemies. The Reason being is that he is the only one that can support his people solely on the profits he make in the drug trade. In Juarez Vicentes people got so desperate they went on youtube trying to extort empresarios because el Chapo took over the drug smuggling operations. Same thing in Tijuana and michoacan. El Chapo reduces his enemies to a stret gang, while he is out making billions. It hasn’t happened to Arturo yet. But give it a while and his peole to are going to end up estorting taxi drivers. Just like his Arturos friends the zetas.
The people that make the most money out of the drug trade in Mexico are still EL Mayo, EL Chapo, Nacho, and El Azul. And El Azul is with el Chapo and not with Arturo let’s make that clear.
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To: Niño de Platinum. “Mafia suena economia kompa”; It sounds like you are rationalizing the mafiaization of Mexico. That’s not “just the way it is”. There are millions of non mafia “gente decente” people in Mexico & they are not going to accept anymore of your concept of “mafia suena economia kompa”.
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today wasn’t a good day for macho prieto, mayo’s security boss, he lost a bunch of people, that’ll show mayo and chapo who’s the boss (el travieso)
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Man, i lov this site-its like being in the front porch of a narco cookout…everyone seems to know lil somethin bout nothin! lol
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are they really pulling in billions from the drug trade or is that a typo? the NYT puts the FARC’s revenues at $200 million a year, i’m surprised that El Chapo’s haul is so much more than the FARC
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LOOK! Rigo Quintero, Sultan, L_Jedi, LEVIATHAN, THOMAS HOBBES, NINO_D_PLATINUM, or whatever any other name you chose to call yourself. Yes I got the nerve to tell the truth that ARTURON was so completely embarrassed by the Zetas from Tamaulipas to Sonora that he went behind the back of El Chapo, El Mayo, Nacho, and El Azul to form an alliance with the Zetas. That happened before Alfredo was arrested. That bullshit story about Arturo breaking away from the Federation solely because Joaquin had Alfredo arrested, well what does he except for making side deals with the enemy. Those deals with the Zetas happened in 2007. And stop this nonsense about Arturo being Jefe de Jefes, Lazcano does not take orders from him. Why would he? Lazcano has destroyed Alfredos pelones, negros, and la Mochomera in all the states they have fought. You remember in Guerrero when Alfredos people blew themselves by accident, bet you the Zetas were laughing hard that day. None of the Zetas take orders from Arturo, they are working with Arturo to fight el Chapo, that does not make him their boss. Lazcano will never take orders from people he has defeated.
Some people may not understand what I am talking about, so let me make this clear. The people that were initially in charge of taking the Zetas out were the Beltran brothers. They were the ones that started the war in Nuevo Laredo. They were also in charge of protecting Monterrey, Guerrero and Sonora. The Zetas in turn kicked them out of Nuevo Laredo, Monterrey, and are also heavily involved in Sonora and Guerrero. If two people should hate each other in the Cartel wars is these two. Arturo has lost more people to the Zetas than anybody else so far. The thing about the Zetas is that they are and were gunman, not drug smugglers, making money is not their specialty. After a while they found it hard to maintain themselves, especially since Chapo was and is using his connections and gunmen to cut off their suppliers or have their drugs seized. After the Beltran brothers failed against the Zetas like he failed against 2000, the Beltran brothers offered a peace treaty. The Zetas needing some form of income other than kidnapping, extortion, and tienditas so they took it, it turns out they have more reason to hate el Chapo sense he is the one that ended their cash flow, the only thing the Beltran brothers did to the Zetas was allow them target practice. Arturo in turn got muscle to fight El Chapo, mainly because el Chapo and EL Mayo are not sharing with Arturo. But like I said before Arturo probably underestimates how much Chapo has weakened the Zetas.
Now you can deny that the Zetas are in Sinaloa helping Arturo‘s weak muscle, the throw your hands in the air and never fight back FEDA , but even you have to admit that they are in Durango, Sonora, DF, Guerrero, and Jalisco. If El Grande mattered so much why is there Zetas in Durango helping him out. And not to mention the Zetas captured in Guadalajara telling the Federal Agents that Arturo had paid them to go kill el Chapo since he was believed to be their at that time. So your statement, let me remind you what it was.
About the ZETAS…only Lazcano and Trevino have joined forces with Arturo. Its a WIN/WIN situation for both factions. Z3 and 40 now have a COLOMBIAN and a pill connection with Arturo. The thing is that Arturo has yet to use them for security/protection. He doesn’t need them for such endeavors. Arturo’s sole purpose for them is the DISTRIBUTION of drugs in the mexican northeast.
Security/protection is all the Zetas do. So yes the Zetas are in Sinaloa helping Arturo on his play. Deny it all you want, but that does not stop reality. The Pathetic thing about Arturo is that none of his people are in the Zetas territory. Seems to me the peace treaty is working out a lot better for the Zetas, more money and expanded influence. If anyone one is bossing someone around in the Zeta-Beltran alliance it is the Zetas bossing around Arturo. Also, drug DISTRIBUTION in the Mexican northeast? Great so now the Beltranes are in the poquitero tiendita business.
The only entry point to the USA, were the real drug money is made, where Arturo can claim ownership is in Sonora, which is why you seem to make a huge deal about Arturo having influence there. The rest of the US and Mexico border you never mention because you know as well as I do that Arturo has zero influence in all the other entry points in the border, the Zetas are not letting his people in their territory. Your hype about the Puerta de Oro in Sonora only proves my point. And Arturo is still forced, yes forced because no one gives up power by choice, forced to share Sonora with the Zetas and 2000.
Yes Juarez and Tijuana have fallen to el Chapo and el Mayo. You say the TJ boys are still operating but that they lost their pill and coke connection right. But let me tell you this, you better believe there are still drugs being passed through Tijuana, and who do you think is passing them. Juarez lets not even go there, Joaquin beat la linea like the Zetas beat los negros and pelones only a lot faster.
But trust me El Chapo has proven he don’t need to control the plaza to pass his drugs. Which makes me say that el Chapo is still passing drugs through Nuevo Laredo and Sonora.
When the Zetas came to Michoacan to charge quotas to all the marijuana growers and to the control the port of entry to Colombian coke and Chinese pills, Chapo and the Valencias stopped them. Now in Michoacan the Zetas are barely surviving by kidnapping, extorting, and robbing. And believe me the Zetas are to scared to enter the Sierras Michoacanas, pueblitos no problem they don’t mind setting up cheap tienditas there.
In Veracruz same thing, Zetas tried to Control the port of entry and ended up running tienditas. Same in Cancun only the Zetas are no where to be found in Cancun. In Guerrero the Zetas and Beltranes also run tienditas but the opium and marijuana plantations and also the ports still belong to El Chapo. Joaquin is also the one who has extensive relationship with THE major Guatemalan drug trafficker, Chapo busted him put of jail, while Alfredo Beltran only friends in that country are useless maras.
Also el Chapo is the one who uses airliners to transport cocaine, like Amado did when he was alive. Remember the DC 9? Again what the hell is Arturo known for except for getting beat up and down by the Zetas?
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Move…WOW, I’m giving you the thumbs up, not for what you say, but for the argument you present, excellent points.
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hey move, what do you know about the meeting in coahuila last week between the beltran bros, z40, el lazca and los carrillos to form a mega cartel?
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Move:
I’m not nobody’s cheerleader but I liked your arguments.
Come on guys!, let’s participate without taking side!.
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Strange question here, I have been trying to find my missing son in Juarez. I continuously received calls from a ‘withheld’ number, I finally was able to catch the call ( no messages left) It was a Mexican only speaking man, who sounded like he was rather ‘forceful’ but, I could not understand a word he said. I just kept saying ‘no espanol’ he hung up and thats the last I heard. I am concerned it is concerning my son, if I couldnt speak spanish, would that stop them from calling back if they had my son?
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any news from EL JL? anyone?
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ANN,
“It was a Mexican only speaking man…”
If I was him and heard you speak like this, I would probably stop calling.
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Ann,
That’s a tough call–maybe somebody
with some particular insight who reads
here can help you out. Why not post an
email address?
As for the heartless bastard(s) who was so quick to respond:
QUE CHINGUE A SU REPUTISIMA MADRE–PINCHE MALVADO.
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Why do you keep changing your post name?
Any way you are right I am an imbecile. How dare I say that El Chapo has full control of Juarez or Tijuana for that matter. The only thing el Chapo controls in those cities is the flow of drugs north, but that is the only thing. I guess El Chapo is really missing out in all the kidnapping, extorting, and tiendita money. How can I be so foolish. Shit once Chapo starts charging protection money to junk yards he will then finally be in full control huh? Then he can hit the big time and start charging taxi cab drivers for protection also. Or do some other Zetas and linea like behavior. Thank you now I realized how wrong I was.
Now lets move on to the FACTS.
FACT: The Zetas main income comes from extortion, kidnapping and running tienditas. We all know about their famous war tax. They are not a drug cartel.
FACT: Arturo Beltran shares Sonora with the Zetas and 2000. Who controls Sonora? NOT ARTURO BELTRAN LEYVA. You don’t control something by being forced to sharing it.
FACT: The Zetas killed more of the Beltran brothers men more than anybody else.
FACT: The Zetas ran Alfredo Beltran out of Monterrey and Nuevo Laredo.
FACT: El Chapo is fighting the Arellanos in Baja California, the Carrillos in Chihuahua, the Zetas where ever they go and the Arturo Beltran. Fighting every other major crime group in Mexico and still not going down.
FACT: For all the people that El Chapo fights with, it must cost a fortune to sustain that type of war. El Chapo spends the most money for personnel to fight these battles out of all rest, and he still has not resorted to MUERTO DE HAMBRE behavior like the rest of his enemies, Zetas, Linea, Arellanos, and in the near future Arturo will be doing the same shit. Extortion, kidnapping, and tienditas.
FACT: The Zetas came to Michoacan to charge quotas to all the marijuana growers in the State. To date no marijuana grower has given them a dime.
FACT: The Zetas are in Sinaloa with Arturo’s people trying fight el Chapo. What? You think I’m going to overlook that Zeta behavior of holding hostages innocent civilians in Mazatlan. Or killing innocent people and then blaming them to el Chapo.
Now all this propaganda campaign you guys are running is funny. If someone is stupid enough to fall for it that person is useless. All that for recruitment and public support. But remember this, gunman don’t fight for free. There are many people dropping out of the Zetas, Arellanos, and linea because of that. El Chapo also fights his enemies economically. If you are objective and you pay attention to the history of this cartel war you will realize this pattern.
Nuevo Laredo after the Zetas destroyed los negros and pelones were they faced Alfredo Beltane el Chapo came into the picture. The result the Zetas stated getting killed and arrested. Same thing in Michoacan, Veracruz, hell even Chiapas. In Guatemala one of the founders of the Zetas was killed and who has the most influence in Guatemala? El Chapo of course.
In Tijuana the Arellanos went from having complete control of the drug route and making tons of money to having its gunmen robbing armored trucks and kidnapping doctors just to survive. And who was their enemy? El Chapo.
In Juarez, well to be honest ever sense Amado died it has gone down hill, El Chapo just delivered the death blow. The last thing la linea or Vicente is making money out of is drug smuggling these days. That junk yard money must be nice though. Again enemies of el Chapo.
Well then Arturo sure as hell got together with a nice rag tag team and he is a partner not the Jefe of that team. Mega cartel they are not. You actually have to pass drugs to be called a cartel.
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December 25th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
MOVE, is a idiot!!! First of all Aurturo Beltran had nothing to do with nuevo laredo. That was Chapo’s people that were setting up shops there and in piedras negras where he had established control till the zetas chased him out. He was to chicken shit that he started sending ms13 members to fight for him and the zetas were just putting them on ice. lol Anyways Juarez cartel, Beltran, and los Zetas are not losing to chapo’s people. you dumbass’s keep saying chapo’s by himself against everyone and hasn’t fallen but in reality he was alligned with La Familia, Gente Nueva, Hector Pamla, and Mayo Zambada, ooh and the Gulf Cartel!! Chapo’s not even in the country he ran and all his alliances are falling so when he decides to return he wont have territory left. I dont care mutch for drugs but the only reason i commented on this is because the war started because el chapo, now nobody can go over to mexico. Viva Juarez
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well, somebody’s spending sleepless nights reading narco bloggs and making out his own conclutions, boy you are so lost.
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To all you out there hating on “MOVE” where is your argument?
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QUIEN CONTROLA SONORA ORITA Y QUE PASO CON LOS NUMEROS ?? PORQUE SE DICE QUE ANDA EN SONORA.
OTRA COSA DEL MAYO QUE NO PUEDE VER A NADIE SUBE POR ESO ESTA PASANDO TODO ESTO
LO DE ALFREDO MOTA JIMENEZ ES PUNTO Y APARTE.
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I’m going to disagree with you on that statement then, if that is your argument, then I side with “MOVE”, and let me explain. So you are basing the whole theory of El Chapo and EL Mayo getting beat by looking at the US markets? El Mayo is no Military General, what he is however is a smart and clever businessman. The guy has loads of reserve cash, just for instances like this, he knows there is a war going on, not the best time to move weight, too volitale to risk losing say…23 tons of coke, so he waits, and waits, and waits some more, waits until the war is over or calms down, meanwhile though the US market is craving the goods, the supply of this stuff stops coming in, so Mayo then bumps the price of coke, weed, whatever it is, he bumps the price up. His profit margins stay the same, he has to move less weight, making it safer in case he does lose a load, and the US market demand stays the same. A cartel by definition controls the price of a product, by aritificially draining the market, and drying up those areas you mentioned, that to me shows just how powerful his reach is.
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The answer to the question you asked is “yes…and no”. Okay, nice points, YES, I do think the Colombians will wait, they have just as much at stake as he does, if not more. He tells them to wait, they are going to wait, I think that is part of the business, knowing when to be agressive, and knowing when to wait. Let me stress, this is what I THINK, not know, for all I know I could be way off the mark, but we’re making arguments here, so this is my two cents. I think being dried up for this amount of time as you claim shows why the Colombians trust him with their loads, I understand the logistics of what you are saying concerning weed vs. coke, but I think these guys understand the business, push it to hard you get busted, not agressive enough, daddy goes to another transporter. The otherside of the coin, when I said to your answer “NO” the Colombians at some point will tell him “fix this shit, and fix it quick” I think that’s why it’s so violent right now, neither side can afford to drag this out, could we possibly see another Mexican Cartel sneak in to the spot while these two beat the shit out of each other? Or could the Colombians overlook the Mexicans altogether, and move their own product…again?
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and nacho coronel…
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nacho has one of the sweetest colombian connectios, but his coke makes it through miami, he only uses the mexican border to push meth and some chiva.
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Now you call it baseless rumors, right?
What did I say that was a lie? Are the Zetas not in heavy into extortion and kidnnaping? Or the Tijuana boys for that matter? Please stop with all the insults, it only show your frustration with my truth. La linea burning down businesse is lie also, that did not happen of course.
Is all that not true? Tell me why are you guys ignoring all those facts. El Chapo with out a doubt spends the most money on personnel and government contacts, I mean he has too, he is fighting everybody. None of his men have been reduce to kidnapping or extortion to fund themselves. Ilegal you know this and Name Changer you know this too. So here it is, give me one good reason why the Zetas, La Linea, and the Arellanos have to do those MUETO DE HAMBRE crimes to survive and EL Chapo doesn’t. And please try to come back with a response that is better than, “You don’t know what you are talking about.” El Chapo has thousands of people on the field expecting to get paid, and not once has his people have to kidnap or extort a business. So answer me this also where is he getting his money?
And ilegal I take what you say with a grain of salt. For one anyone that thinks Barbie doll is important is clueless. Alfredo was really the one that was in charge in battle for Nuevo Laredo to begin with. If you don’t believe me ask yourself, is there anything in Barbie’s history that even suggest he could of even come close to sustaining a battle with the Zetas? No!! Guy comes out of no where and all of a sudden he is el mero Mata Zetas. Please I don’t buy that story for a second. Nothing in Barbie’s past suggest he could of done anything of what people believe he did. A drug smuggler in Laredo with no real importance taking on the ex soldier and GAFES in Nuevo Laredo. Really? Am I the only one who finds that story to be obvious bullshit? Why Alfredo even gave him what he got is a mystery to me still.
But lets move on. Let say it is all true, el Barbie was important. Since he has undivided allegiance to ARTURON, ha ha. Now his brother got killed by the Zetas, and he wants no revenge? Now loyalty can only go so far. Barbie’s loyalty to el ARTURON so great he is willing to overlook the fact he is now working with the Zetas? Let me tell you what this tells me. El Barbie is in fear for his life from the Zetas. Loyalty doesn’t go that far, self preservation does. Now what good is el Barbie? Pelones and negros have been wiped out by the Zetas. His boss Alfredo is in prison. Really what can Barbie do? The answer, nothing.
Anyways sometime this week, maybe tomorrow I don’t know, I am going to respond to those claims that El Mayo’s contacts in the US have dried up. Also I really want to get into those laughable comment you made about it being very important that Alfredo and Arturo had MS-13 or Mara 18 working with them. You remember right, working with Maras is how Slim or Bill Gates would of done it if they were in the drugs business, ha ha. The stupidity in that statement amazes me, I still haven‘t forgot about that. I also will be getting into LA gangs because Phoenix gangs don’t matter much.
But here we go, my last fact.
FACT: the Zetas are all over the place in what is supposed to Arturo’s territory, Sinaloa, Durango, Sonora. In turn Arturo’s people are nowhere to be found in Zeta stronghold, the Mexican northeast.
If Beltran’s sole purpose to ally with the Zetas was drug distribution in Mexico’s northeast, funny how you say distribution in Mexico’s northeast and not the US northeast, we both know el Chapo is breaking ground over there in the US northeast. But back to my original point. YOU LIED. You said the Zetas were not going to be used for security and protection. I thinks it is pretty obvious the Zetas are doing just that. Only a fool or a liar would say they are not at this point. The violence happening in Sinaloa right know signature Zeta style, really what did those people they held hostage have to do with any thing?
Expect my response sometime this week.
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man, la gente nueva it’s in fact robbing banks in juarez, there is no drug money income in juarez to sustain those men right now, and about edgar, how could you say that a man who was almost a nobody in laredo couldn’t became a badass? the man you seem to worship (chapo) before becoming the guy he is right now, he use to work installing telephone lines, he use to drive a beat up vw combi with a sign of MERITOR 1, he was a nobody just like barbie, and he was el pitorras before being el chapo, and about edgar-zetas alliance being impossible because of edgar’s bro being killed by los zetas, that business was fixed last year in the first meeting they had, they made a truce, and part of that deal was to take care of certain individuals from both sides (that included edgar’s brother killers),and another thing, mayo’s clients in the u.s are indeed drying up since like the fall of 2007…and i’m sorry, i can’t go too deep into how do i know those things, so expect no detailed explanations about that matter, (i forgot things) i’m sorry about my el ingleso
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Los ocho presuntos sicarios detenidos el sábado pasado con un arsenal, incluyendo un lanzacohetes, en el fraccionamiento Acueducto, pertenecen a una célula delictiva del grupo de Joaquín El Chapo Guzmán, líder del Cártel de Sinaloa, informó la Procuraduría General de la República (PGR)…Los detenidos son Héctor Manuel León León, Eudocio Hernández Bautista, Ramón León Machado, Juan Carlos Rivera Valenzuela, Daniel Monzón Parra, Raúl Valenzuela Barraza, Erick Alonso Rivas Ríos o Israel Cebreros Nava, y Eleazar Inzunza Obeso (macho prieto’s cousin)… En un principio las autoridades estatales, a través de la Vocería en Materia de Seguridad del operativo Culiacán-Navolato, vincularon al grupo de sicarios como parte de una célula de la alianza de narcos Carrillo-Beltrán…here you go move, that’ll show you that los zetas are not the ones doing all that desmadre in sinaloa.
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That article only showed me that el Chapo’s people did not get ran out of Sinaloa like name changer claimed, they are there. But tell me why did you go from writing two line statements now coming back at me with an actual paragraph? Me talking negatively about Barbie doll hurt your feelings or something? Or are you just mad that you feel stupid that you never actually questioned that story about el Barbie, and realized it doesn’t any sense. So how old was el Chapo when he was called el Pitorras? Twelve. I’m only kidding. But el Chapo has been in this business for damn near 3 decades, worked with and out grew Felix Gallardo. Joaquin did not become el Chapo overnight. That overnight bullshit strory belongs to Barbie doll. Alfredo GAVE Barbie what he had, Barbie did not earn it or built it, it happened to quick for him to do any of that. Why? I don’t know. But I am not going to pretend I’m retarded and swallow the explanation that a guy that has absolutely no experience wagging battle the way it was fought in Nuevo Laredo is el mero chingon Mata Zetas.
In the begging it was Alfredo who was in charge of fighting for Nuevo Laredo not his boy toy Barbie, then others came to try and help out his failure. But anyways it kind of makes sense because only an idiot with no damn experience will use MARAS to fight the Zetas. That little fact is still hunting him, that must of made Alfredo and Barbie a laughing stock with the Zetas. But like I said, even if that fairytale story of Cinderella, opps, I mean Barbie becoming a nobody to a somebody overnight is true what does it matter. All of the gunmen he is supposed to be in charge of either got killed by the Zetas or dropped out. El Barbie can‘t do much, Alfredo is not around to take care of him no more. But like you said let’s wait and see the BIG SURPRISE Barbie doll is going to give El Chapo, ha ha. Don’t you think if even you know about the surprise el Chapo and his people know about it also? That is if it is true.
Yes ilegal, I also heard those rumors about Gente Nueva robbing banks. Now I’m not going to act like some punk and say, “No they’re not, Gente Nueva will never do that!”. I know doing that will make me look like an idiot. But I still think it is unlikely, there is no proof of El Chapo’s men doing those things anywhere else. With the Zetas, La Linea, and the Arellanos you have entire cities crying out in disgust. For most of the Zetas, La Linea, and the Arellanos extortion, kidnapping, robbing, and tienditas are their main source of income. Not even you nor Name Changer have even disagreed with me in this detail. Your best response to that was more or less, “El Chapo’s people do it too, I know some one told me.” But I’m going to leave it out there, they might be doing bank jobs. Let’s see if the banks cry out in protest like the doctors and business men did about La Linea, Zetas and Arellanos.
Now NAME CHANGER on to you, and don’t try to say some of these comments you didn’t make, its not hard to recognize writing styles, no matter how many times you change your post name. When you made that big deal about Barbie’s undivided loyalty to ARTURON, saying he was very well respected in Sinaloa. Then wrote a few things exposing the foolishness of thinking Barbie mattered, then you back tracked and said well this:
“Never did I ever say that Barbie worked in Sinaloa or that he was known in such location. You are confusing my comments with those of L_Jedi.”
Like I’m stupid enough to believe you and JEDI are not the same person.
You also back tracked when I talked about Michoacan. First you said the Zetas control Michoacan, and this is the funny part, WITH PERMISSION WITH THE GREAT ARTURON. Please, stop making yourself look foolish, I can only imagine Lazcano now asking, “ Don Arturon after killing all of your brothers men and invading your territories with no problem can I pretty please got into Michoacan with your permission Sir.” I then told my family is from Michoacán, I tell you a well known fact that the Zetas tried to charge quotas to the marijuana growers and the growers told the Zetas to go to hell by the way of their actions. I go to Michoacan regularly, about twice a year, and the only thing the Zetas are in charge of in that state is MUERTO DE HAMBRE stuff, kidnapping, extortion, charging taxi cabs protection money. Any ways you back tracked again saying el cartel del Milenio worked for Arturo after I said what I did about the Zetas, and about my family members being in both side of the conflict with the Antizetas doing much better economically. Funny enough you stopped mentioning Michoacan.
Now Sonora. Let me make this short. Who controls Sonora? Arturo Beltran. Now it has been revealed that it is not. The Zetas and 2000 are there. And know neither take orders from Arturo.
Why don’t you mention the other border states? Because you know Arturo’s reach doesn’t go that far. You just keep pumping the importance of Sonora up, like it’s the only gateway to the US. Which he is forced to split with other people. Definitely doesn’t sound like El Jefe de Jefes. More like a partner in a rag tag team.
Now on to this nonsense about El Mayo’s people on the US being dried up. Both you and ilegal have oversimplified the US drug market, all that tells me you guys don’t know shit about it.
First I am going to remind you of a few things and correct you on the way.
“Please don’t underestimate Central Americans…or in this case La Marra Salvatrucha. They have over 50,000 members and have infiltrated 33 of the 50 states here in the USA. Hows that for drug distribution?”
You idiot that statement just proves you are clueless about how things work in the US. 50,000 members and 95% are in Central America. The MS-13 biggest gang is in LA. Most of the ones in other states are copy cat gangs, kids how saw the National Geographic channel show about the most dangerous gang in the world. They do have good size gangs in the East Coast, but there in influence in the drug trade over there is fooking nothing, in the East Coast you make more many by supplying Blacks and Caribbean folks, Haitians, Jamaicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricancanos, you know what I mean. Back to LA, were the biggest and most influential MS-13 gang is in LA, and the MS over there get taxed so heavily by the EME, and I hope your clueless ass knows what that means, that MS kill there own members if they don’t make enough money to pay the EME tax. All the Hispanic gangs in LA collect taxes for EME, except only a handful out of the hundreds. People from LA, like me know the truth, MS is just like all the other gangs in LA. Damn near every gang in LA has clicks in many other states. Even ridiculously small LA gangs have clicks all over the country of the US.
Let’s explore EME a bit further. Brought to you by Richard Valdemar a LA gang detective.
“In 1995, the Mexican Mafia was offered barrels of ephedrine—all the ephedrine they could use—by the Arellano-Felix Tijuana drug organization. The message was brought to a secretly recorded Mexican Mafia meeting by EME member and Arellano-Felix pistolero Bat Marquez. He said that the cartel had barrels and barrels of the ephedrine just south of the border and they would give any EME member a share for a future payment after the meth was cooked and sold. They also requested the EME’s help in locating and killing rival cartel member “Chapo” Guzman. Several Mexican Mafia members traveled to Mexico to take up the AFO offer. When the EME members were all taken down in 1995 RICO, Randy “Cowboy” Therrien had a large load of meth in the trunk of his vehicle.”
As we all know the EME gunmen did not succeed. But San Diego EME members were the people that the Arellanos used for pistoleros. EME members are people a cut above your average gang member. They control LA Hispanic gangs, and they are chosen with in the gangs. There only a couple hundred members at most and they control all the Hispanic gang members, which number in the tens of thousands. An example of EME members. Same source.
“Ramon “Mundo” Mendoza and Edward “Sailor Boy” Gonzales were the first EME enforcers to “carry the EME gospel” throughout the state of California as they systematically replaced local drug dealers with EME dealers. Between July 1975, and November 1977, over fifty victims were murdered by EME enforcers with the bulk of these credited to Mendoza, Gonzales, Alfredo “Alfie” Sosa, and Robert “Robot” Salas.”
These guys are not your average gang members, the Arellanos knew this and that’s why they used them. The Arellanos knew that through EME they could have access to many drug markets in the US. LA gangs have spread all over the US, back in the days they only supplied only there local neighborhoods. Now they moved to trafficking drugs in other states. And they are still mainly supplied through the Tijuana border, not “La Puerta de Oro” Sonora. And living here and knowing, well let’s just say shady people, no one is hurting for drugs. It is not Arturon supplying them because, as we say in LA, “busting a mission” in Tijuana is in full effect. And Arturo has zero influence in that area. El Chapo controls most of the passage of drugs in that area now, trucking companies are so nice to have. While Arellanos people struggle to survive.
Black gangs are different, many of them are supplied by other Hispanic gangs, since many LA gang members are sons and daughters of parents from LOS ESTADOS PESADOS DE MEXICO you know who they are, and in some cases have a direct link to a drug cartel wholesaler. Black gangs don’t have an organization that controls them like the Hispanics with EME, but move drugs they can. Black gangs are nice to have also because they have and endless supply wannabe, copycat kids all across the country trying to impress real LA bloods and crips. And like the Hispanic gangs they also have many different clicks all across the country to smuggle drugs too, drugs that entered the US through TIJUANA. That’s LA gang’s bread and butter right there, to them that is LA PUERTA DE ORO, only this gold is white, green, black and brown. I will say this, drugs do make to LA by the way of Sonora, but it is only a drop in the bucket compared to what is being passed through Tijuana for them.
Actually let me correct myself black gangs in LA don’t organizations that control them, Chicago is a different story.
MS-13 a very small piece of the US drug market, so small it is not even worth mentioning. It was entertaining that you actually believed Alfredo got anything from them except getting turned into a clueless joke. But again that is drug distribution. Alfredo used the Maras to Fight the Zetas in Nuevo Laredo, not to distribute drugs. That was stupid, end of story and just admit it already.
Of course the LA gangs don’t supply the whole country, they are nice to have but there many other organizations one can use. You the gangs in Chicago, bikers, the Projects in the East Coast. Independent groups all across the country. Some of the most successful groups are the independents.
Now let me say this. Why did you only mention LA, Nevada, and Phoenix? Answer. Same reason you only mention Sonora as the entry point to the US, there are the only places where Arturo has any influence in drug supply, minus LA, don‘t try and sneak LA in there just because a little bit of drugs make to LA from Sonora. What about Chicago, Atlanta, New York, the American Northwest and Northeast. The market in the Midwest and Southeast.
All of those areas are supplied by El Chapo, EL Mayo, Nacho, Milenio, and el Azul. Let me tell you if what say is true Arturon still has his mind stuck in the 80s.
Also, is there anybody here who actually believes that if indeed El Mayo’s clients in the US have gone dry, for 6 months according to Name Changer and a whole year according to ilegal, that the clients are just going to sit around and wait for el Mayo to deliver? Hell fooking NO!! The minute they would of ran out of drugs with buyers offering money to buy more they would of already been looking for somebody else if Mayo couldn’t deliver. Simple as that. It would of been fook you Mayo and hello whoever as long as they had drugs. None of the distributors in the US have any loyalty what so ever to the cartels in Mexico. If el Mayo’s clients have been dry for one second the would of already move on to someone else.
Since both of you claim that his clients have been dry for at least six months, that means you guys believe nobody else has been supplying them. Not even Arturo. If Arturo couldn’t move in and supply those people to date that would just tell me he is not able to move enough drugs to do so. No one in the US cares where the drugs are coming from as long as they have merchandise. No one in the US is going to wait around for a particular cartel to deliver. And especially not for six months to a year. The only reason for a person in the US to be dry is if he owes money and no one to will front him anything.
For me it is obvious that neither of you two know how the market is run in the US.
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yeah, you’re right,i’m lost, i didn’t know los maras, eme and some dirty ass bikers were mayo’s clients-distributors, we are talking about hundreds of kilos here man, not ten keys of white and a hundred pounds of weed, those guys have no idea that the 5 kilos of powder they just bought comes from mayo, or chapo, why? because they bought it from a guy who bought 200 keys from a guy who is a mayo or chapo distributor, the gangs are not allowed to know who the dope’s original owner is (eme was a rare exeption though), why? because as long as they pay, they don’t need to know shit, and by mayo’s clients i mean the guys who usually buys 350 kilos in L.A from a mayo’s distributor(in l.a everybody works, chapos, mayos, aretes, valencias, beltranes, there is no plaza owner )and send it to let’s say,chicago, brake it into 10′s 20′s 40′s etc. kilos, and the profits are sent to mexico, those are the clients i’m talking about, not the maras and eme and all that crap, and if i say that mayo’s clients are drying up, that doesn’t mean that they are no willing to buy dope even from people they have never dealed with before (there is a case were a valencia-mayo’s distributor was willing to buy 200 keys from “different” people) they just erase the I.D marking, and they are ready to go, as simple as that…about pitorras becoming chapo, i forgot..and the article about the 8 sicarios they arrested last week, the newspaper says that the are chapo’s people, not me, i say that they are macho prieto’s crew.
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Ilegal again you got your mind stuck in the 80s. 10 kilos of coke is nothing nowadays, ten kilos is what LA gangs smuggle to just one of their little clicks across the country. Many LA gangs can move hundreds of kilos regularly. But still most of what I said was directed towards Name Changer. I had to correct him after those silly comments he made about the MARAS being well this:
Why did the CAF use Barrio Logan or 30th Street cholos from San Diego as PISTOLEROS?
Bullet catchers?
That’s all they are good for, right?
Look…
What gang has the most precense across all the USA?
The Mara-Salvatrucha.
If you were a mexiacn DRUG BARON wouldn’t you want to be associated or at least have some kind of rapport with such establishment for business reasons such as drug distrabution?
But did I mention Alfredo using Maras for drug distribution? No, initially I was only making fun of Alfredo using Maras to fight the Zetas. Name Changer tried to redeem Alfredo’s use of Maras to fight the Zetas by bringing up drug distribution.
Ilegal I’ll respond to your comment about wholesalers next time.
Later.
Oh and Name Changer I did not plagiarized, I gave credit to the original source. It’s just that unlike you I back up what I say, so they don‘t have to take my word for it. I don‘t just say ARTURO MANDA. So again tell me why Alfredo used Maras? HA HA.
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I’m not following the physical appearance thing, what do you mean?
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I get that part, I know what these guys look like, but what does the way someone looks have to do with them being a badass?
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Damn, M1 was right. You guys are homosexuals, HA HA. LOOK, LOOK, my gunmen are prettier than yours, HA HA. You really don’t know what to say any more do you.
Of course el Bravo is short and has dark skin, he is from Guerrero.
A lot of Zetas have the same physical appearance Bravo does. And the Zetas made Arturo drop to his knees and ask for a truce.
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yeah, never judge a book by it’s cover, and if any of you guys think that a guy like bravo aint’t shit just because he looks like a “oaxaco”, think twice, you could get a nasty surprise, i knew a guy in culiacan who was short and puny, 5.4ft and weighted like 100 pounds, he was one of the main bodyguards of el baron de babunica, a lot of people tried to pick on him, they are not here any more, the little guy was so feared, they had to sent 8 guys to kill him… “no hay enemigo pequen~o”, if any of you guys knows el m1, ask him who manuelito beltran mun~oz was.
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Muevete, I’m going to have to say that physical appearance has absolutely nothing to do with anything, unless you are The Queen of the Pacific (who I think is a total babe by the way). It seems to me that repetuniation is the golden key.
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i know, that man apesta a muerto, i’m pretty sure he sleeps with his eyes wide open, that if he sleeps at all.
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i’m a reporter for fox 11 news in LA looking for signs that the cartel war south of the border has crossed the border…into the LA/Orange/Riverside/San Berdoo areas? Anyone out there got any ideas, tips, people to contact, specifics abt incidents, trends, etc.? maybe it’s pretty much contained to mexico???
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HAHAHAHAHAH…..
ALPHA YOU GOT “MOVE” TODO PANIQUEADO…..
“MOVE” YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A NEWS JUNKIE….
NOT ONLY ARE YOU A NEWS JUNKIE BUT YOU GET YOUR STUFF MOSTLY FROM SECOND HAND SOURCES….
THERE’S NOTHING LIKE BEING IN THE TRENCHES..PA KE NO TE CUENTEN WEY…
AY NOS VEMOS COMPA ALPHA……
Y ARRIBA LA DELINCUENCIA…..
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come on bola de balcones!.
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fast and efficient!
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I’m jealous that some of u are way more informed than I, course I don’t speak spanish. I believe that the Zetas could be able to knock out El Chapo and El Mayo, This is a group that has already overthrown the gulf cartel and assumed it’s mantle. Furthermore, they have one thing over all others, Special Forces training. You talk of lack of funding to the zetas, They control very lucrative smuggling ops in Nuevo Laredo, they control the Plaza. Extortion, kidnappings,etc. . That is not their primary revenue, they wouldn’t be a threat to the other cartels if they were lacking funds. Also, with any organized crime group, u get extortion and kidnappings, home invasions, Extortion, they might b shaking a less powerful group or person. Kidnapping, someone probably ran afoul w/ the Zetas. Bottom line, other cartels pay for security and hitters, The Zetas don’t need to do this b/c they are highly trained individuals. Bullets are cheap anyway, so watch out for the Zetas. If Im wrong someone show me how to get more facts, specific death tolls for the contending sides and the like, and I’ll reevaluate my stance.
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Although the article is interesting…I much rather know what they are doing to stop all the heinous crimes. I read the comments on here and you guys are talking about it like it’s a game and stating that with the cartels Mexico would be in poverty…that’s far from the truth….Mexico is so damn rich in resources it’s stupid. The only thing missing is people to actually try to fix it, instead you have pendejos join carteles thinking that’s the way to make a living (the easy way right) Babosos…..oh and by the way the statement about only the strong survive is the stupidest comment I have heard because you are referencing to an organization that kills it’s own people for profit…that’s not survival that genocide and a disgrace to our people. Only the strong survive refers to society, people, neighborhoods, and familia not hoodlums, murders, and thieves. The cartels aren’t strong they are the weakest thing organization in the world if only La Raza would wake up and stand together the cartels would be done in an instant. Mexicans are the most resilient people in the world and if we would unite I know we can free ourselves from the chains of tyranny. Instead of commenting about what cartel needs to do and who is winning we need to comment on things that will help our people get involve in their communities, a way to bring our people together to speak out against carteles…and any pedejo who say it won’t work doesn’t have faith in his people….we have to unite and stop these atrocities that are plaguing our people. Just like a guy is willing to get down for is crew everyone should be willing to be down for our raza and country. Just know that Mexico is being occupied by an invading force that does not have Mexico’s best’s interest at heart and if you are not ashamed of that you should be.
‘’All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for enough good men to do nothing’’
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Couple of facts of reality have just missed in the above post.
As long as there are 20 million recreational drug consumers in the USA, there will be drug traffic in Mexico. The violence will not end; the corruption will not end etc. What ever side of the written laws one stands on, to survive on the border you play ball or you play dumb. Sad to say.
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yeah perfect argument for mexicans to continue trafficking…
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