Chismes: ¿Masacre en La Noria?
Dec 23rd, 2009 | By Michel Marizco | Category: Chismes, General News
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THE BORDER REPORT
Did it happen or didn’t it? The presumed gunfight that hit the news this morning seems to have disappeared as if it never happened.
Here, belatedly, is a translated summary of a CISEN briefing I received a short while ago from a contact in Culiacán. You can bet those boys are watching this. Keep in mind, this is not a current update. A day old at least.
22 Dic 2009 –
“Several reports were received from residents in Guamúchil de la Noria, Sinaloa, that two rival groups had engaged in a gunbattle and a large number of people had been killed or wounded (Guamúchil de la Noria lies near the border with Durango, up in the Sierras. Popularly, it’s Mayo Zambada turf but you can believe that’s not in the CISEN briefing). Preliminary reports received at our office stated that a large group of assailants with high-powered assault rifles and fragmentation grenades had fired on several targets, leaving dozens of people wounded and dead. Media reports stated that a bus traveling from Mazatlán had been attacked and at least three houses were incinerated. Elements of the Secretary of Defense were dispatched but found no evidence that a battle had indeed taken place. They also did not find an attacked bus nor did they find burned houses. No bodies, wounded or dead were found.”
Here’s an odd sentence taken from the report. One that is so bizarre, it’s making me think a little about the politics behind the incident. If it even occurred. The report states that CISEN spoke with SEDENA who believes it is possible that two rival gangs had “attacked each other, then left the area after collecting their dead and wounded.”
Narco gangs frequently do this, yes it’s true. But they can’t erase evidence, bullet fragments, blood stains, bullet holes, shells. So why even state that it’s possible? It’s absurd.
Hours after the initial reports came in, about 7 a.m., four houses were attacked throughout Mazatlán, the report states. Some 200 rounds were fired in colonias Lomas de Mazatlán, Libertad de Expresíon, Mazatlán Uno and in the pueblo of El Habal. Witnesses at one scene apparently told investigators that the killers had arrived in three trucks, stepped out and opened fire from all directions. There were no injuries.
There has been some speculation that the military was involved in the attack. If so, they either brutally wiped out some 40 men – or, and this is something that bears consideration, they lost.
Gonna be a rough Christmas in Sinaloa.
there were no military in the gunfight, they were chapo’s gente nueva and some of mayo’s people all of them in military uniform wanting to take chago by surprise (like they tried to do to el isidron flores en el burrion), but again, they were aware of what was going on and they beat the shit of the fake guachos, there were more than 40 dead men, way more.
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There’s no way that many people were on that bus, the way the seats were burnt its obvious they were empty. See what I mean by just listening to rumors from people pumping up their side. As chared as that bus was body parts would of been all of the place, and they wouldn’t of been that easy to clean. That some guys were there I’m not denying but more than 40 people? Come on, againg that’s what you want to believe.
Well then some pictures of the attack.
http://www.noroeste.com.mx/publicaciones.php?id=541977&id_seccion=
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nobody said 40 men died in that bus, but, yes move, chapo’s supermen are indestructible and bullet proof, they can never be touched because they are your heroes, are you happy now?
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Don’t get all emotional at me just because your gullible ass believed some bullshit rumor your little buddies told you. ILegal dont lie, you know you got all excited when you heard that rumor of dozens of men killed by Arturo’s allies. Same way “jefe de jefes still alive” aka D_NEPHEW aka Name Changer was. Again what is with you two with all this propaganda shit for the now dead Arturo. Nobody in here thinks for a second Arturo was not a retard for surrounding himself with morons. What’s the point of trying to say otherwise now, Arturo is dead.
This is just like when people were saying how ten of Macho Prieto’s people got killed in an auto repair shop in Mazatlan. Only if anyone bothered to look at the pictures of crime scene you would of noticed a bunch of mechanics with uniform and tools in their hand laying dead on the ground. There was like one guy there connected too MP’s crew and he was just dropping off the guys car.
What I think happened was that they blow up a pretty much empty bus, killed some guys traveling in some sort of car or truck , then shoot up the small town. The guys in trucks being actual people of El Chapo or Mayo. After that little skirmish they spread some rumors to idiots like you and Name Changer to pump up their inept and dumb fook team.
And don’t try to act like you didn’t believe they blow up a bus full of people working for Chapo and Mayo, you’re trying to save face now you jackass. If you want to stop sounding stupid then shut up. The only way they could of killed, as you said a lot more than 40 people, was by blowing them up. What do you think they could of just killed them all in shooting battle then after the fight being over they had the time to collect all the bodies. Like they were some indestructible and bullet proof soldiers. Or you believe Name Changers little theory about the Army just clearing out the bodies to make Chapo and Mayo look good. See how stupid you two sound.
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same shit as in el burrion, no dead bodies, but several suv’ full of holes, blood stains and chunks of flesh from the 50′s , the ones with the X were chino’s, the ones without markings and blood stains were gonzalo’s and cholo’s, no dead people but a sudden epidemy of funerals in guamuchil and all that area, lol!!!
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and Chapo Isidro?
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On this Christmas night, in the season of miracles, may we all say a prayer that Mexico begins to heal.
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al cien como siempre, drift.
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puro 011 el macho prieto
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10-10 puro el inge.
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el checo va a empezar a mamar entrando el ’10 y el macho va a estar muy ocupado como para ir a chicali a ayudarlo, no puede estar en dos lados al mismo tiempo…es lo que dicen, mas no me consta.
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Looks interesting.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ogjkeCd7RGoC&dq=mexico+narco+violence+and+a+failed+state&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=0kMLEE6RIB&sig=5n-KnriSgdnleSI5jRSrvdB8zJk&hl=en&ei=DBA3S8K1KM2Ttgf3oI2PCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
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It bugs me that there are posters here that LOL at the terrible human toll these slayings take on ordinary people. Like the two young students at the university in Guamúchil that friends and I are helping out with expenses – including a bus ride from Guasave. They sometimes ride buses just like the one pictured.
When I talk with them now and then, they tell me that, yes, they are scared. “It’s impossible to pretend that we feel safe when we know that at any moment, we can get killed in what’s become a war,” said Claudia.
Sister and brother, they are top students, and come from a very poor family, whose weekly income is less than $1,500MP. When they graduate, they will contribute much both to their family and to a better Mexico. No doubt about that.
That is, IF they graduate; it’s possible that Guamúchil will become so unsafe that the university will suspend classes. (Claudia said that after the last slaughter some months back, classes were canceled.)
Meanwhile, those posters – with the mentality of a twisted 13-year-old – write in semi-literate prose as if they’re spectators at a wild and violent soccer match. The more blood spilled, the better, is their credo.
They disgust me…
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Jack I found your message very interesting, it points to the fact that when awful things begin to happen on a everyday basis, people become jaded. This is what has happened to the killers also. I hope we keep our children becoming jaded, thats how they end up sicarios at an age when most parents are not even real comfortable leaving them home alone yet.
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My kid will see the bottom of my shox if he thinks he’ll go down the wrong path. I do expose him to this stuff and I only do it because he knows some of my customers have been killed in juarez
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im just saying, who kills a dog now a day?
http://lapolaka.com/2009/12/29/narcoperro-con-mensaje/
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http://www.riodoce.com.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3794 heres the story i found about this
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move is gonna get mad at riodoce, lol!!!
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For what ilegal? They said exactly what I believe. Evidence of a few dead and rumors about a lot more. But I tend to go with the evidence. Unlike you who prefer the rumors of a bunch of chismosos. That a hunded of Mayo’s people died in that confrentation is what you want to believe.
Same thing as el Burrion. Only in one car it was obvious that all the people in there probably died, in the rest the guys probably jumped out of the trucks and ran after their truck’s tires were blown out. Most of the vehicles that were left there had no blood stains on them. What I think happened was that they got ambushed and got pushed back, but it wasn’t a slaughter like you want to believe. Especially like you said that El Chino’s truck are marked with’s X’s, what makes you so sure the cars without X’s are Macho’s people and not Chapo Isdro. Again that’s what you want to believe. That shootout scene wasn’t nearly enough bloody for someone with an objective mind to believe that dezens died, same goes for what happened in Noria.
Now I’m not saying that Mayo’s and Chapo’s people got the best of those shootouts but hundreds of them getting killed? Get real, you want ot believe that.
Do you see what I mean by people like you getting info by people pumping up their side. You want to believe hundreds of Chapo and Mayo’s people died at those confrentations, makes you feel like less of an idiot for rooting for the DEAD Arturo in this. But you are still an idiot, that will never change.
Point still stands? Artruro should of had those types of peole defending him instead of his two boy toys Barbie and Grande, yeah you know those are some homo ass nicknames to give someone. Arturo was a closet fag to have those two be in charge of so much, no other explanation exist as to why Arturo would not gotten rid of those two retards. He must of loved them.
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http://www.debate.com.mx/eldebate/Articulos/ArticuloPrimera.asp?IdArt=9376468&IdCat=6087 periodista levantado.
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still believing what the newspapers and the authorities say.
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The page the link sends me to is fooked up.
And no I don’t believe what the newspapers and authorities say. I believe my eyes and from the pirctures and video I saw. There is no way the amount of people you want to believe died actually did in those two shootouts. For example lets take Burrion. Now I’m sure both you and I saw the same video of that incident. Notice then the really bloody white car in the footage, see how bloody it is thats the one I believe that had people actually killed inside. The other trucks are pretty much spotless when it came to blood stains compared to the white car. There is a truck with a big blood stain a few feet away from the open door. If you look at the blood it is still pretty fresh, which means what ever happened there happened fast. No time to collect 50 bodies and cover up all there blood stains of all those dead guys. The casualties in that were probably few and the people from each side collected their on dead and injured, which where in low numbers. I know you believe their weren’t any dead from Isidro’s side and I don’t know if there was or if there wasn’t but for damn sure they didn’t stick around for too long cleaning and collecting dead bodies.
Also, you mentioned that the trucks with X’s on them were Chino’s and the ones without were Macho’s people. Which to me sounds too convenient of a story. How would you be so sure that the ones whitout X’s weren’t Isidro’s. It sounds like that’s what you are hopping for. Who did the trucks without X’s belong to? I don’t know but I do think it’s kind of a strech to just say all of them belonged too Macho’s people. You can also tell how spread out the shootout was, except for that white car none of the other vehicles have a tight grouping of bullets. From the video I saw the shootout was chaotic and scattered.
I probably could go on about Noria but I’m tired maybe tommorow.
ILegal please learn not to listen to biased rumors, it only make you look dumber than you already are.
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if you say so.
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Carlos Beltran Leyva detained??????
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how about, El Monico detained???? that’s what La Polaka says.
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Drift 1 – ilegal 0, you were right Drift, they arrested Carlos Bletran Leyva.
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lol
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ilegal you have yet to score a point. You should stop trying already, it seems you always get the opposite of whay you hope for. Maybe you should start cheerleading El Mayo so next week he could die.
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this site used to kick ass…what the fook happened. Mike needs to get back on the fooking horse.
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move, for your information, i knew about Carlos’s capture three days before it came out on the papers, but i didn’t wanted to say shit because of you looking to get info in any way posible.
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K onda putos!!!! What’s up bitches, how was everyones New Year? D-rift, I was back in Texas for about a week, always nice to be there, fooking great place. Can you believe what Tech did to Leach, is that not fooking criminal or what?
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Sure you did ilegal, sure you did. But even if you did I’m not impressed because I heard those rumors too. You didn’t say shit until it was completely confirmed so don’t try and say you knew without a shadow of a doubt he was arrested. You heard a rumor and waited to see if it was true. Don’t lie ilegal, we all know you used spit shine Arturo’s shoes back in the day, but that don’t mean you know shit these days.
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“we all know?” you and who else? lol!!! keep playing cyber detective, move.
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Now go home and get you’re shine box.
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I gues you didn’t get that shoe shine joke, I foget sometimes that you are stupid and don’t understand wit. So a cyber detective knows more about this than you, ilegal you act and talk like you met these people and still can’t get a single thing right. The last person on Earth that I would pump for information is you.
Then you and Name Changer act a like little internet dry snitching narcos talking about doing marijuana deals. If in fact you were close to the Beltran Organization it just proves my point, Arturo surrounded himself with idiots that will eventually end up burning themselves.
It doesn’t take much to figure out that Arturo was stupid. Like it doesn’t take much to realize that 100s of guys did not die in a shootout by looking at photos and seeing that the rumors don’t fit with the pictures you just looked at. But see you are an idiot, and trust those “el compa me dijo” stories you hear. That is called acting like a woman. You belong in a hair salon ilegal, gossiping with your female freinds like Name Changer.
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You see ilegal Number 34 understand jokes.
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How many Beltran-Levya brothers are there? This article says, “At least one other brother, Mario, remains at large.”
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/02/20100102drugwar-ON.html
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move, please, you are going to make me cry, lol!!!
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i believe it was 7 brothers and 1 sister Tantos in total, but 3 supposedly are not involved at all or if they are really dont hold high posts
Vincent… Leach is not a criminal, he just runs a tight ship!! LMAO!!!
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You no I’m not ilegal, I know you used up all your tears when you heard Arturo died.
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they removed the porno sight that was printed, but I swear the main woman on there reminded me of the one that was kidnapped from Laredo at a concert Oct. ’07. Though the hair is straight now, hers was very curly, but I have heard they shave the heads of these women and put them in wigs so they are not easily identified.
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As Yemen is becoming more and more newsworthy, the fact that Yemen has a drug alignment with Mexico does not get past me. All this talk about what is happening in Mexico, why is there not more investigation of the role Mexico is playing in aiding Al Quaida? Is it so hard to see that the bottom line is damn, our wars are all connected? Who do you suppose provides the biggest threat?
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that was a nice one, Mexico aiding al quaida, they tried that one before and it didn’t fly, what’s next? Mexico was responsible for 9/11? it would not surprise me if the u.s gov pull that one out of their asses one of this days, they should stop kissing Israel asse’s instead of giving those greedy rats billions of dollars in aid every year, the u.s gov have a 10 year program to give them 30 billion dollars in “aid” while the economy in the u.s goes to down the toilette, that’s good for a change!
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the people killed in the funeral procession in Culiacan, are they relatives of the deceased Chalo Araujo?
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In a rare moment I got to agree with ilegal here. You want to stop the US from being a terrorist target then the US needs to stop backing Israel. They have a very powerful army for its size and nukes, it’s not like Israel is some defenseless country.
If in fact some narcos have a business relationship with people linked to terrorist, if Im not mistaken there was one case of some Arabs supplying the ingredient for meth to a Mexican organization, that does not mean they are planning attacks with the bearded men in caves. And if your are some hardliner on the war on terror who thinks like a 2 year child and says anyone even remotely connected to terrorist money should be treated like an enemy combatant and killed, well then feel free to shoot yourself in the head. Why, you morons may ask? Simple, the answer is Saudi Arabia and there oil kingdom.
Hell let’s throw in all the fresh opium that the Afghanies are growing thanks the the US kicking out the old Taliban so the knew pro drug producing Taliban can use those heroin profits. Shit not only the new Taliban but also the Warlords that are allies of the US and puppet government that was installed are out there growing poppies. And even though the US allied Warlords and government are supposed to be enemies of the Taliban I’m pretty sure people connected with both of them and Taliban do business together.
The original point is terrorist get most of there money from Suadi Arabia, and most of that money comes from US consumption of Oil. You put gas in your car and your funding terrorism.
Iran I belive comes in second in funding terrorist.
The narcos are not a politcal group, what they care about is money. Actually directly helping terrorist in there operrations is not happening by any stretch of the imagination.
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nomatter what the us has done the price of grass is still steady
200/kilo in ap
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Case taken, I actually wasnt thinking directly part of them, I meant trading favors. Mexico was in bed with yement to keep the enphedrine coming, I am talking business deals.
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Move, check out a book called “Twighlight in the Desert”.
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1262339394856&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull the big snake talking about “snakeheads”.
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Esmeralda business deals, and being in bed with terrorist as you said are two different things.
Like I said the warlords and the Afghan government are allies with the US and even they make deals with the Taliban when it comes to drug money. The fooking US military is in that country and they still don’t do anything about it. When it comes to money some times you have to work with your enemies but that does not mean all of suden you stop killing eachother. Unless you use that money to completely pay of your opposition, like in Iraq were the US is giving money to the insurgents so they can stop killing them.
It wasn’t the troop surge that calmed the place dowm despite the propaganda it was simple bribery. Think about it the US payed money to the very same people that were setting up road side bombs killing the soldiers. It worked better tha troops ever could. But it’s not like they won Iraq because many places are controlled by people backed by Iran.
When it comes to money and business deals you can’t use the words “in bed with”. If it was just to do with money then the US is guilty of such things.
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Move, you are talking about conflicting missions in Afganistan. Iraq is simplier cuz they don’t have any drug exports (that I’m aware of?). Remember Oliver North and the “Iran-Contra” affair? North outed a few DEA informers in Central America and they were killed. Apparently the DEA agents wouldn’t let Ollie use their snitches to move money during that scandal. Afganistan is a disaster no matter how you look at it. Look at the British and Russian experiences there; Afganistan is easy to conquer, but impossible to govern.
The Mexican Elite wouldn’t dream of doing any deals with terrorists. They are too beholden to the U.S. because we take care of their working poor (all other illegals are called OTM’s “Other Than Mexican” and given a lower status than Mexicans). Mexico already gets DHS money to deport OTM’s from Mexico so we (the U.S) doesn’t have to deal with them. It’s a helleva lot easier for Mexico to deport a bunch of Chinese immigrants, for example, than it is for the U.S. with all those annoying civil liberties.
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What do you mean Iraq was simplier? The US did not win over there. The Military threw in the towel and said “OK we give up here is some money so you can stop bombing us”. And Iraq is still not controlled by the US, Iran is backing plenty of people over there. Iraq as much as Afghanistan is a lost cause.
And no one ever conquered Afghanistan, unless you believe that Alexander the Great did which I don’t. Sure he might of did what all the other Empires have done and conquered the cities and the rulers but when it came to the mountain people he probaly gave in. Which is the same thing with the British and Russia, sure you level entire cities march your military in those places to look triumphant and for propaganda, but you can’t say you concuered your enemies if they refuse to stop killing you.
It must be a bitch to fight in the Mountains. Your enemy is on the top of the mountain your on the bottom. He can see you from miles away and you cant see him, even with all that technology. In many places helicopters can’t fly because the air is too thin. Even if could fly in the area you want the guy could still be above you pointing an RPG because of the geography.
Some Marine once told me that Afghanis laugh at the US way of fighting this war. They still have memories of the Russians and their no holds barred tactics they used on them. Compared to the Russians to fight the US is a walk in the park.
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Conquered Aye?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2hnXgrnlUQ
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