Sonora plays catch up
Dec 14th, 2009 | By Michel Marizco | Category: General News, Organized Crime
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THE BORDER REPORT
With the finding of six bodies in a dirt lot yesterday afternoon, about twenty people have now been murdered along the Arizona-Sonora border since last Tuesday.
The bodies were found in Nogales, Sonora, and were presumed to have been there some three to five days, a timeline that matches up nicely with the start of this current conflict.
Still don’t know who the man was that was killed in Agua Prieta last week; nobody’s saying so you know it’s good (regionally interesting, probably not national). But a source in the area says Mexican Feds were in a meeting with the gringos on the Arizona side when they got the call and went running back into Mexico to deal with this. The latest conflict appears to be a group of Nuevo Zetas moving against the powerhouses of the Arizona border (and it ain’t DHS).
Meanwhile, the Mexican Army exercised an extreme case of ineptitude when a soldier was shot in a crossfire in Agua Prieta last Thursday. Seems the Army had surrounded a stash house when two traffickers in a Pontiac Grand Am raced out. A desmadre ensued when the soldiers unloaded on the car, hitting the car but also shooting at each other. The narcos got away. I thought training was a big part of the Merida money … pero bueno.
In light of this latest ordeal, Sonora Gov. Guillermo Padrés is asking Mexico City for one thousand more federales to be brought up into Sonora (mas ratas pal pozo … )
And, up north of me, one of Arturo Beltrán Leyva’s people was indicted on cocaine trafficking and money laundering charges in Phoenix. Misael Beltrán Cital and seven other people were indicted on the charges after the State Department issued him a visa to come to the U.S. Total setup and he fell for it, oops.
We’ll see what happens next.
damn zetas wont go away!!!!!!!!!!1
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I thought Guillermo Padres was the President…
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somebody is gonna have a heart attack…
http://semanal.milenio.com/node/1631
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im pretty sure some “Comandante’s” will end up missing, i still link the Beltran-Leyva’s have more power
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The politics of the game is bad news these days. And for a fact, Beltran Leyva’s are not going away soon. All of these guys are gonna fight til order is in line. Don’t see it coming soon, folks. And just so everyone knows, it was one of the Paredes-Machado outfit that clipped in Aqua Prieta last week. Sure Marco Antonio is pissed. It’s only gonna get better, Folks!!!!!!! But my people are telling me that it was more than one got clipped.
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Gotta love Border Report. Big thumbs up, Michael.
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The Zetas now in the Oil business, is proof to me that legalizing drugs (Like ending prohibition) will not stop the cartels. There business is supplying whatever it takes to make money, they already are investing in a new enterprise.
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Esmerelda, you are right. Here is the difrference, oil is legit. They are not gonna kill over oil production, because it is regulated. Two completely different business. The cartels are regulating the drug business themselves, that’s why there is so much violence. We can only hope they all go legit. Just so you know, all of the families have some legit intersts. But the drug game is bad news right now. Nothing can fuel this kind of violence.
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Legit? They have rip off over 1 billion dollars worth of oil illegally, how is that legit?
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He means it’s regulated, that the oil business itself is legit. Like when Tony Soprano sent his guys into the new development area in Jersey, and it was full of corporate dining place, coffe houses, and shops. And the 2 guys went into the coffe shop and tried to shake them down for protection and the manager told them that the corporate office knows exactly how many coffee beans are in the store at any given time, Ha!
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This is likely way out of left field. But when in Sonora recently, I saw at least 3 new bus lines of top-of-the-line Scania and Volvo buses (they each cost half a million+ in US$).
More “legit” cartel businesses?
(One Scania, headed off to Agua Prieta, was loading up with campesinos.)
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Esmerelda. What you are seeing is a racket outside of narco trafficking. That isn’t fueling the narco wars. By no means are some of these guys just squarls trying to get a nut. There is always going to be some criminal committing crime. But the american dollar isn’t going to be funding it. All these people wouldn’t be dying over it. And the american justice system would not be feeding off of it. The drug war costs billions to fight, the narco traffickers are brining in 70 billion a year. Let’s try to all keep it in perspective. Let’s try to all understand that our money is what they want. Our laws make it proffitable for them. And a lot of people are dying. Its sad. That is what I am sharing with you. I like that you have good ideas, though. What you says has truth. Just does not really have much to do with the drug war problem.
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Tijuana Red Light Reply:
August 6th, 2010 at 4:51 am
Rabbit I look forward to your return. Thank you for sharing your story with us. God bless!
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Esmerelda is making a good point that Rabbit is too close minded (or just plain dumb) to comprehend. The Mexican cartels will not suddenly go legit if the U.S. legalizes drugs. If the U.S. legalizes weed for instance, and levies a tax on it, there will be criminal gangs bootlegging untaxed weed. They will fill a void somewhere to make money.
If the U.S. drug laws change and there is no demand to fuel groups like the Zetas, they will find another criminal enterprise, like more kidnappings for ransom (Mexico was #2 in the world in this category). Frankly I’d rather have Mexican drug smugglers infiltrating the U.S. instead of professional kidnappers. The cartel murders in Mexico have more to do with corrupt Mexican officials who have ALWAYS been complicit in the smuggling trade, than U.S. drug laws. Former Mexican Presidents made deals with cartel leaders to keep the Mexican economy afloat, and so they could leave office with hundreds of millions of dollars. When there is no distinction between cops and criminals, that society is on the brink of collapse. At least here corrupt cops/federal agents still make the headlines. The Mexican ruling elite made their bed. Now they are lying in it.
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this is off topic but I thought it was intrasting or maybe its not that far off.
Drug money saved banks in global crisis, claims UN advisor
Drugs and crime chief says $352bn in criminal proceeds was effectively laundered by financial institutions
* The Observer, Sunday 13 December 2009
Drugs money worth billions of dollars kept the financial system afloat at the height of the global crisis, the United Nations’ drugs and crime tsar has told the Observer.
Antonio Maria Costa, head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, said he has seen evidence that the proceeds of organised crime were “the only liquid investment capital” available to some banks on the brink of collapse last year. He said that a majority of the $352bn (£216bn) of drugs profits was absorbed into the economic system as a result.
This will raise questions about crime’s influence on the economic system at times of crisis. It will also prompt further examination of the banking sector as world leaders, including Barack Obama and Gordon Brown, call for new International Monetary Fund regulations. Speaking from his office in Vienna, Costa said evidence that illegal money was being absorbed into the financial system was first drawn to his attention by intelligence agencies and prosecutors around 18 months ago. “In many instances, the money from drugs was the only liquid investment capital. In the second half of 2008, liquidity was the banking system’s main problem and hence liquid capital became an important factor,” he said.
Some of the evidence put before his office indicated that gang money was used to save some banks from collapse when lending seized up, he said.
“Inter-bank loans were funded by money that originated from the drugs trade and other illegal activities… There were signs that some banks were rescued that way.” Costa declined to identify countries or banks that may have received any drugs money, saying that would be inappropriate because his office is supposed to address the problem, not apportion blame. But he said the money is now a part of the official system and had been effectively laundered.
“That was the moment [last year] when the system was basically paralysed because of the unwillingness of banks to lend money to one another. The progressive liquidisation to the system and the progressive improvement by some banks of their share values [has meant that] the problem [of illegal money] has become much less serious than it was,” he said.
The IMF estimated that large US and European banks lost more than $1tn on toxic assets and from bad loans from January 2007 to September 2009 and more than 200 mortgage lenders went bankrupt. Many major institutions either failed, were acquired under duress, or were subject to government takeover.
Gangs are now believed to make most of their profits from the drugs trade and are estimated to be worth £352bn, the UN says. They have traditionally kept proceeds in cash or moved it offshore to hide it from the authorities. It is understood that evidence that drug money has flowed into banks came from officials in Britain, Switzerland, Italy and the US.
British bankers would want to see any evidence that Costa has to back his claims. A British Bankers’ Association spokesman said: “We have not been party to any regulatory dialogue that would support a theory of this kind. There was clearly a lack of liquidity in the system and to a large degree this was filled by the intervention of central banks.”
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Well, again, criminal elements are everywhere. However, what you are talking about is not fueling the violence in mexico. If the mexicans stole oil in mexico, what does america have to do with that. NOTHING!! (IDIOT!!)
The American black market fuels the violence in Mexico, not oil, Jackass!! If the laws were different, and the politics were different, the majority of the murders and violence would be gone. Will that change other organised crime in Mexico, hell no!!! But it will stop the 70 billion $ black market, proffits that our laws have created. You are the stupid one. And Esmeralda is just speaking reality. But it is way off te topics presented on border report. This story talks about drug murders for control of the drug routs into the U.S. Not oil thefty done by renegade, corupt ex officials. That is what the Zetas are. The original Zetas were trained in intel gathering by the U.S. government. Learn your history, IDIOT!! These guys were trained to combat the drug war. Everything I’ve been sharing with Border Report readers is abiut the corruption fueled by the drug war, not oil. I am saying your drug war does not work!!! The corruption is filthy. The drug war is filthy on both sides of the law. And your pathetic ass would be out on his ass if much needed reform would take place. Esmeralda, thank you for sharing a point that I am trying to give a realistic answer for. Tantos, go back to screwing people and raping our constitution. Because that is all this drug war has done. In the day of Amado Carillo Fuentes, things were different. He was a politition. Now, the drug money has brought cruel people to power, that are regulating the game with violence payed for by the U.S dolar. It’s funny how you can’t despute what I know for a fact. I was part of the money machine. I did time, but I survived to tell about it. I am sharing truth with all of you that want to stop the senselessmess. I am educating the truth!!! Thank you to all of you that realise that I am only trying to help. To the rest of you, go back to fueling the senselesness.
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Great point surfer, I touched on this point way earlier. Without the black market money that spends in our economy, our economy would crash. Smart change and reform with real regualtion and taxation would create jobs and keep the money rolling. The the money laundering has an upside. The problem is all the violence being displayed right now needs to end somehow. That end is not in sight.
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In defense of Tantos, however, Some people deserve to be in prison. I payed the piper. But would love to see some change, though.
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some other families do make it legit but they benefited from the drug market or got a start in the drug market, relatives to Carrillo Fuentes who happened to be legit but somethings well………
http://www.pasodelsur.com/news/zaragoza_fuentes.html
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rabbit Actually it has alot to do with the US, that is where it is being sold (sound familiar) The Zetas are the most ruthless of all the cartels, I understand that bad people do good things, after all its the cartels who own the drug rehabs. The cartels virtually are Mexico;s government. The mafia in Italy were big supporters of the catholic church, so what, they kill, kidnap, rape and murder children, steal body parts from living people, sell children as sex slaves, my only point it that drugs is not the only enterprise they are involved in. They will always be around on some level, the drugs are a by product, not the cause. I have always wondered on there connection to dear ex George W Bush, or is that a surprise to everyone?
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cant we all disagree without everyone getting bent out of shape? I also know things about the Zetas underground, things I wish I didn;t. The original Zetas are history, they now like to refer to themselves as ‘the company’ there are heartless and ruthless, let them join blackwater, only good use for them.
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Awesome article Wayne. Not everyone is bad. Everyone, Ask yourself what the definition of a cartel is? Well, it is any group, person or entity that creates and sets the market for anything. Diomonds, oil, wheat, flour, cocain, marijuana, meth. Drug cartels are what they are. However, there is cartels for everything. Drug cartels are just very violent enforcing their market. But everyone should read the article that Wayne posted. Esmeralda, this is what I meant by legit. Sorry if I was rude. You are awesome!!
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Sorry esmeralda, I wont display any more ignorance. You are right about the Zetas. But remember, think about who and what they represent. Their violence and ruthlessness is exactly what I have been saying. Mostly fueled by drug money. I know you realise this. I wont even respond to Tantos anymore. I will only comment on the articles. Remember, though, the Sinoloa people are tough. Zetas are not the only bad element.
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Esmeralda, the us is a nation of consumers. we cosume the drugs. And the money we spend on it is creating havoc in mexico. The drug routs into arizona are being battled for. I have been involved with the people fighting over their turf. Mexico is corrupt as hell and the us drug laws have helped the drug pices to icrease. They are only seizing maybe 10 to 15% of the product at the border. My perspective is different than most. But I do know what I am talking about. Organised crime in mexico is out of control. but the prostitution. Kidknappings, robberies and other rackets are problems that most of the world has. Mexico is really bad because the drug money is helping ruthless people enforce and regulate their market. But I believe the organised crime element and huge proffits can be taken away from these people. Then they would have no choice but find something else to do. They might still do wrong, but that would be the same wrongs that the rest of the world deals with. The narcos are above and beyond it. They were growing pot in mexico before the drug war began, there was very little money it. Ten bucks a kilo. It will never go away. But if their wasn’t huge proffits in it, it wouldn’t be worth killing over. Legalizing it probably won’t fix the problem. Has to be something that creates a tax and gerates jobs, but runs the element out of it. Thousands of people for the last few years have lost their lives and freedome over this. Where does it end. The law didn’t make me quit the drug rackets, my own cynical distrust of government and people made me quit. And please, don’t get me started on the Busch clan. Filthy fookers. Remember the definition of a cartel. Bad bad bad bad people. Lie to your face and tell you they knoww what’s best for you. By the way, I’m italian, and I was catholic. But we won’t go there. I agree with you on a lot of your points. But the U.S. drug policy is hugely to blame for the money that is fueling this chaos. 13,000 plus drug related murders in mexico is insane. Thousands of police officers. My outlook is cynical. Not much else to say. I have repeated myself enough. Micheal is probably wondering why I don’t just back off. I just want to be heard, I guess.
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Rabbit, so who are these people that fooked you over? What has happened to them?
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Damn, that’s such a long story, I just think that all of you are gonna have to keep reading border report for a while til I tell the whole story. I might eventually tell everyone who I am. But I will tell you this. Sometimes people were not intending for a certain outcome. Greed is a mother fooker. Sometimes you are in over your head and don’t realise it. If you ask my father who fooked him, he would blame the one of the narco families. If you guys have read a lot of what I have wrote, not too hard to figure out who. But at the same time, there are people in the witness protection program because of my people and lots of other witnesses and cops that contributed to what happened to me. About 60 years time has been handed down to my people. That’s all I will tell you for now. However, asset seizures for us our up in the 20 million $ range. Hope that answers your questions for now.
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I’m going quiet for a while. I’ll appear again in the future. Keep up the good work, Mike. I’ll be in touch.
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I blame no one but me for what has happened to me. I broke the law and payed for it in more ways than one. Peace out.
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That brings me to another observation, the Zetas are NOT all mexican or even mexican/american. I had a long conversation with one about 2 years ago. We were on the subject of the women who have been scattered thruout the desert, mutilated. Now at the time of our talk, I DID NOT know he was a Zeta, he was an american. I did not put alot of stock into what he told me about the womens deaths. As time has passed much of it makes sense. He looked like the handsome boy next door. Tattoos carefully covered, clean cut, pleasant demeanor. The really bad guys, are often camelians. That conversation has haunted me for a long time.
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Does anyone know what is happening in Tijuana, las count was 26 dead in 3 days? Did they capture Teo or what?
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chihuahuao y tan buena que es la lavadita de fresa… can’t we all get along?
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cocodrilo Sweetie, I thought we were! (<}
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Rabbit is on point…..anybody that opens their eyes and has taken biz 101 (the dope game folks is a pure business, nada mais e nada menos) so the old Supply and Demand principal is in effect in blazin Neon. The consumer demand of a consumer society fuels in the U.S. and the EU!…breaths life….fills the sails with air….puts lift in the wings….of the DTO’s not just in MX but CO and central america, plus BR and the CdE and Panama City….. which in turns fuels other feeder enterprises such as arms trafficking, money laundering….with the proceeds from all supporting the daily general functions of society…..such as employment, budgets (City, State, County, FED) through the prison industrial complex (the whole Gitmo to Thomson, IL is a prime example…looking to save a community with employment from housing tangos…where once factories would have filled this role. All in all legalization may work but nobody has the sacos to stand up and push the legislation through or vote on it plus their is order in the status quo believe it or not (like the Sand Box before Sadam was taken out).
Still the root of the problem must be explored….why the F#%k folks here want to get high so much! What in our society is fueling this need to escape the pressures to ball and chase the paper or escape ones failure to attain. Find the root and service it then that kills the demand which will dry the supply up. But that will never happen as the world keeps spinning….its a Doggy Dawg World! Just my thoughts. Out here!
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The Zetas were not the first “good guys” to cross the fence they were probably the first to do so as a group and advertise it. Rabbit write a book and get compensated off your story don’t give it away. You gave away enough through the seizures! Vai com Deus!
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American, your brain is my brain. Thank you for being smart enough to express words. All these people have a lot of realising to do. I’m keeping the rest of my story to myself, for now. Some of these readers don’t deserve my words. But thank you for being the words of a very reasonable man.
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ABL taken out!
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_14015413?source=most_viewed
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Rabbit, I feel you 110%. I speak from experience albeit at a miniscule scale. Nevertheless, learned to use my third eye from an older cat (a la Training Day like) and a few radical professors. Once I saw Esco go in 92′, I knew their was no future in “Tha Game”. Its built for a the chosen few, the behind the scene shot callers who make and break policy globally, the fat cats.
Most folks can’t handle the truth because it is so revolutionary…it destroys everything they have been conditioned to believe in and the way they think. Like a blind man see light for the first time. So when the truth comes out they reject it as BS or ramblings of a whack job…but ask yourself or better yet they should ask themselves…what man (we are men here so i say man), that changed the world was readily accepted when he first stepped onto the scene. But yet these individuals spoke the truth and in time changed the world on its axis.
Do your thing irmao/hermano/piasano and if you decide to put pen to paper you got the basis to do so. its your life and jewels to share. When I was w/ Uncle Sam we would say, the only folks that remember old soldiers and old battles are old soldiers…same goes for the the OC game as well! Paz!
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Damn, whoever you are, I hope you make it far in this world. It feels good to hear your words. At least I was heard by a few good people. Some of the readers, being the needle dicks that they are, are not even trying to face the reality of what is going on in Mexico and the politics of it. They don’t want it to stop. Can’t afford it to stop. Keep your head up, Bro. Thanks!!
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Dido Rabbit! Great minds think a like just too far and too few between.
What’s happening in Mexico, SWA, the USA or where ever, is all inter-related and connected. That’s what folks fail to realize sh8s not isolated anomalies…history backs it the dope game we have today the precedent was set in motion after WWII with the establishment of the Golden Crescent route from the Rock Pile through Turkey to Marseille to NYC (LCN here and here running it did so until the late 70′s n 80′s when the Colombianos started using Cubanos, Dominicaos, and direct sells) as well as from the Bekkah Valley thru Beirut to Marseille…then in the 60′s the Golden Triangle route went into full swing with the 14K cats outta Hong Kong pullin the levers and the LCN and Nigerians doing a lot of the foot work through diplomatic pouches outta T-land…the SA cartels always had the coke game on lock with the routes established from the weed days…Nam ended H became passe then it was Disco, pure cokavich, and the snowing in Miami dayz. T The cartels jumped on the H band wagon beacuse of the similar cultivation climatic conditions and started producing S. American H. The War on Drugs basically shut down the Caribbean so they moved it on up through MX. Again MX had the routes, plazas up and running already from weed (remembering P. Acosta)…
so it was C and bud (beginings of the poly-narco DTO metamorphisis)…the OLB’s ran the meth game through their net of cookers but could never produce the volumes to meet the demands or expand. The Mex DTO’s started out sellin the percursor chemicals then said F it and starting pumpin out ice from super labs so they added meth to the loads coming up hitting off the OLB who still handled the leg work ( the pens, state and FEDs help them forge alliances through the correctional facilities gangs…sayin no name but we all know the players). THe Isrealis and the cats in the EU had the Ex game on lock but again transpo was the biggest hinderance flights from Amsterdam to JFK and LAX became predicable so again the boyz south of the boarder stepped in with the super labs and transpo adding EX. to the list.
Now they move everything for everybody . Using C. America and W. Africa as transhipment points…cuz again MFers in the West wanna get high. They’d be crazy not to control it. You still got product coming outta BC (the MX-DTO’s are using the northern boarder as well) and Toronto and so forth but for all sense and purpose the MX DTO’s run the show. Pookey , G-Money, on the corner are just that a jive ass corner boyz, retailers, who take majority of the daily pinches, flash the most , make the best press as the poster boys, keeping the county lock ups chuck full.
I know I missed a few bits and pieces but that is basically the landscape that has led to the present state of affairs. See the thing is B, folks don’t really see the macarbe pictures for what they are….its unrestricted warfare to furnish the insatiable market here. I mean why else would somebody resort to whack out folk in that manner …it is tactical, strategic and PSYOPS. Folks kill me when they sit back and point finger…man those mexicans are crazy their country is so f’d up….nah MFers here are f’d up because your appeties breed that barbaricy there and in other spots…I don’t it ever stopping. Folks would rather follow a NASCAR, NFL on Fox, or Britney’s latest blow up then follow real news that effects them and theirs. Crazy!
Best movie by far is Miami Vice (with Jamie n Colin), shit hit on a lot of points in a subtle manner like only M. Mann can do, showing the connective tissue. But the moral majority missed it because it wasn’t over the top flashy tongue and cheek action and comedy. So it flew under the radar and got a lot of bad press from the desk jockey type academic critics who don’t know the mechanics of weight dope deals.
I’m through ramblin….will comment on other post if relevant or folks start trying the bum rush you, I got your six ,bud. Big ups too whoever is the father of this site I found it on a humble and locked it in the favorites. Good work! Guerra e Paz!
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Man I’m never going to be able to sell my beach house if this crap isn’t legalized. The new section of the coastal Highway from Desembogue to Puerto Lobos is now open(minus a bridge here and there) The navy has road blocks up (movable) outside of Puerto Penasco and planes are flying low all along the coast. down South.Something must be up! All I know is the Corvina are still biting,I can by blue crab for 54 bucks a kilo(big ones) from the fishcamp,my dog still plays goal keeper on my side during beach football,I’m bringing down a big bunch of hardwood scraps for night fires and the meteors look really great from the bottom o a Pacifico,
Rich or broke (like me)Mexico in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere is the place to be.
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Thats pesos per kilo!
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