The Snitch That Got ICE-d
Jan 21st, 2010 | By Michel Marizco | Category: General News, Organized Crime
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Dirty, dirty and that’s the way we like it here at BorderReporter.com, que nó? This is one of those weird little tales where I gotta protect the guilty – for now.
In late August, three people were arrested in Baltimore on cocaine-trafficking charges; nobody particularly special – low-end movers running 300 pounds through Baltimore from Arizona. The arrest was part of Operation Xcellerator, that massive DEA sweep of 755 members of the Sinaloa Cartel that went down across the nation last summer. Feds had seized some $59 million in cash along with the 755 arrests and and somewhere around 27,000 pounds of cocaine. If you recall, we never got a whole lot of names of the defendants in Xcellerator, a move that myself and others were questioning at the time. And I’m beginning to see why we weren’t getting those names.
What wasn’t known at the time, by us on the outside anyway, was that one of the defendants from the cases stemming out of Operation Xcellerator is the nephew of a high level Border Patrol official here in Arizona. I won’t name the uncle (yet) because, hell, I have some dodgy family members, too. That’s fair. The defendant, J (one of his aliases in court records), pleaded out last August to one count of distribution. Federal prosecutors asked for his case to be moved to Arizona for sentencing, court records show.
J was sent to Arizona last summer to await his sentence. And considering he was accused of involvement in a conspiracy entailing 300 pounds of coke, he was facing a fairly good number of years in prison.
That was August.
On Tuesday night, J was arrested with 700 pounds of dope in his car outside in Southern Arizona. By ICE. This seems important to me because ICE isn’t supposed to be popping cars; yes, legally, they can but they’re not supposed to. Car stops are Border Patrol’s job. It’s like FBI pulling you over for speeding. I had three sources within Border Patrol looking for a record of the arrest because I had assumed Border Patrol had pulled the car over. It wasn’t until late last night that I finally found out it wasn’t Border Patrol at all, it was ICE. The arrest was a surprise to the ICE agency which, frankly, seems to have gone a little off the deep end here in Arizona.**
… Somehow …. J was released a few hours later, with charges dropped.
This leads me to entertain some different questions and scenarios on this fine, rainy morning.
1. Was J working as a snitch for a federal law enforcement agency? Remember, his case was transferred to Arizona last August. Six months later, he’s running a load. He could be one of these guys so wrapped up in running loads, maybe he owes a large debt whose first payment is coming up. I’ve seen it happen before. Had a coke runner a few years back who was arrested with 85 pounds of pot while he was out on bond awaiting sentencing for the coke. Desperation, like stupidity, knows no bounds.
2. How did the ICE agent know he’d have a load of dope in his car? (And by the way, is nobody monitoring these folks? Some of you have been asking me about that Office of Inspector General agent fired from his job a couple months ago. Just what the hell’s going on around here?)
3. Was the ICE agent running an intervention to ruin the case J was supposed to snitch out? If that’s the case, then we have rogue agents ruining cases being worked by “normal” agents. Which is something commonly seen in Mexico. But it’s happening here.
4. Is nobody questioning the uncle in all this? Should they? I think so.
** You can read my archive of stories on the ICE boss arrested for drug trafficking here.
** Click here for my archive of stories on the corrupt ICE agency scandal in El Paso.
There is no law enforcement in Southern Arizona.
There is only crime management.
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Great reporting.
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We have had a number of relatives of station chiefs and other levels of BP here in Arizona who have been dope runners over the last several years. I trust the ICE agents before I would trust the FBI (remember the Borane sting and the agent carrying on with mother and daughter in Douglas) not to mention his involvement in LV, NV where another case was burned. Too much money, too many with no morals in many levels and divisions of law enforcement, especially at the Federal level.
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Off this articles subject, who took the brunt of the prison slaughter of 24 inmates in Durango, the Sinaloans or the Zetas? The articles read as if the Zetas were new arrivals and were ambushed at breakfast which emplies they took the worst of it. And of course, it could have been orchastated by the prison staff which is probable. The warden listed many of the dead being held on kidnapping charges, drug trafficing and murder. The kidnapping leads me to think the Zetas took the hit.
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ILegal is going to claim that all the men worked for Mayo and Chapo, and that it was really 200 people killed in the Durango prison but they just got rid of the bodies before anyone knew.
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TRC this has all been part of the conspiracy here in Mexico to (one way or another) take out the Zetas. They are blamed for all the violence and NOBODY wants them operating in Mexico. Tourism is shot to hell, the economy is suffering even more than normal. There is a pact here to wipe them out WHEREEVER tthey are found, one by one. Until then, all of us are paying the price. Bunch of f…….. psychopaths they are.
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The archive links don’t work
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It definately was the Zetas that got treated..I know this threw family that lives in the area Zetas have been making a strong push in Durango and those incarcerated there are not as well off as the rest of the crowd..But belive me when I say that they have some very profitable strong holds in Santiago Papasqiaro, Tepehuanes, San Bernardo, Ganacevi (yeah you heard right Chapos so called hideout) and other municipalitys that dont really matter cause its not Sierra type land but if you look at the terrain of these 4 that I mentioned you will get the idea..One ongoing war is in Sta Maria del Oro just last week the new ministerio publico was gunned down in his office and its right next door to the police station..The week before that 2 gulf associates where gunned down and one managed to drive himself to the hospital where a group of armed men stormed in and finished the job along with a doctor…I was over there not to long ago and these guys have road blocks as if they where the police and look outs they also tamper with phone lines when somthing is about to go down..lol..My Durango wasnt like that before shit is getting crazy no bullshit I dont care who wins this war but I dont even feel safe walking the streets in some parts. But fook it
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Los occisos son Miguel Angel Núñez López- Originario de Sinaloa, José Miguel Malpica Guzmán-Originario de Sinaloa, Alejandro Alonso Favela- Originario de Yucatan, José Manuel Muñiz Contreras-Originario de Durango, José Manuel Parra Moreno- Originario de Sinaloa, Juan Luis Núñez López-Originario de Sinaloa, Ubaldo Lerma Alemán- Originario de Durango, Ruperto Guerrero Aragón- Originario de Tamaulipas, Juan Miguel Alonso Palacio- Originario de Sinaloa, José Manuel Quintero Monárrez-Originario de Sinaloa, Héctor Quintero Juárez- Originario de Veracruz.
Asimismo, fallecieron Luis Leonardo Zermeño Navarro- Originario de Sinaloa, Arturo Segura Reséndiz-Originario de Sinaloa, Manuel Hernández Alba- Originario de Durango, Omar Lozoya Domínguez- Originario de Veracruz, Luis Ley Vargas- Originario de Durango, Jesús Cervantes Ruiz- Originario de Tamaulipas, Lucio Sánchez Trejo- Originario de Sinaloa, Sergio Eduardo Contreras Rojas- Originario de Sinaloa, Miguel Robles Ortega- Originario de Sinaloa, Daniel Santillán Aguilar- Originario de Guanajuato, Olegario Lerma- Originario de Sonora,Castillo y José Sarmiento Villegas- Ambos originarios de Sinaloa.
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Looks like the comments have been hijacked …
When you put it all together (the lunatic right wing fringe “patrolling” the border for illegals, drug running in the area for the cartels, rogue BP and ICE agents, not to mention Arpaio battling the judiciary in Maricopa county – “kidnapping capital of the United States”), it just seems like Arizona is ripe for more and more Mexico style intrigue.
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More than a rumor???? Murmurs that El Barbie has been behind Beltrans going down. Seems the romance was turning sour and El Barbie wanted his own.
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I heard it was actually EL GRANDE who was the snitch, there were 6 dead bodies found in the state of guerrero, apparently it was directed to Hector beltran and el grande from la barbie.
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El Barbie is cold blooded, loyal only to himself no matter what show he puts on. He now is planning to take charge. .Many feel he is not qualified, by himself he probably is not. But he mesmerizes many and has the ability to go from charming to deadly in a breath.
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Since we’re thread jacking the shit out of this story already….http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mexico/82535092.html
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Arturo: We have an opening for the head of security position. Our enemies to the Northeast have special forces training and use insergent tactics on us.
Barbie: I played High School football and scored 4 touchdowns in one game.
Arturo: Your hired.
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LOL, ha!
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too bad that article did not go into his new love interest, supposedly an american Zeta
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This link is like Cliff Notes for people like me who have a hard time keeping up with the names and places of Mexican Cartel activity. But it is old news to people like Move and Esmerelda who have their ear to the ground.
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/mexican_cartels/index.html
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esmeralda can you elaborate on that new love interest?
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What I have heard is this….Barbie is entangled in a relationship with someone that could be his alter ego. I am told this Zeta is an american, full or part white, that what went down with Beltrans was part of his future goal.
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The merger is suppose to be a case of the good looking bad boys take Mexico.
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10-1 says Esmerelda is a FOX!!!
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Why would you think shes a fox?
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I wanna know more about this barbie thing..Is he doing it for himself or is he working for sombody??
Esmeralda is proably a guy and thats the name of his rancho or somthing…lol.
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We should start a forum where you can post daily news and people can comment on the thread..Not just Sonora, Arizona storys..But we can go by states in the mexican republic..I am not to computer savy but somone else here might be..If there altready exist one somone let us know.
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YeYo raises an interesting point. Here are my thoughts on this and I want to hear yours.
Most of the time, I don’t mind the thread-jacking because some of you have interesting comments and observations to make – even when they’re not related to the story I posted.
I’ve been opposed to putting up a daily news comment thread because, frankly, I see no point to rehashing mainstream media stories.
For example, I didn’t bother mentioning the dead inmates at the prison from last week because
A) it has no relevance, political or otherwise, and
B) We all already knew about it from reading the Mexican press. They were dead; nobody significant was killed, no interesting suspects, just mindless butchery.
That said, occasionally, someone here has some interesting insight to add to a story like that one but, in my opinion, there are approximately 1,543,223 news Web sites posting the same exact content, usually wire stories.
I’d prefer having this site dedicated to new content, whether it’s hard fact, chisme, or observation. I think this furthers our understanding of the border and the organized crime syndicates that work this place.
I’m not opposed to opening a discussion forum, though I’ll have to work out a new template to do so. But before we get to that point, I want to hear your thoughts on the matter.
So speak up and that includes you lurkers.
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lol..Move you must not really like Barbie, looks like i missed alot here, what i noticed on the international bridges on my way back from Juarez is that there are like 7-10 Mexican Army troops on the Cordova bridge and on the Paso Del Norte bridge there are 3-5 or no troops at all, but as soon as they cleared from the bridges there have been numerous killings in the Downtown area of Juarez and some of these killings are right of the strip where alot of tourists go to
and Vincent that was cold of you talking bad about my Boy’s, what happened to the Chargers? LMAO!
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Michel, sometimes people run out of things to say, putting a new spin on a story just keeps things alive. I realize your not wishing to be a comment board for current events. YEYO Barbie may be a he with a name like a she, but I am a she with a name like a she, don’t let the common sense fool yha, LOL. Personally there is alot of news happening around me that I am not privy to on a intimate level. But there is a few situations I have front row seats for. We just share what we can….
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(I like the site the way it is) esmeralda thank you for the info you provide. it is very interesting. do you remember gary hill, that lawyer from el paso? did he ever get sentenced? I found a website dedicated to Carey Marcella McClintock by her family. Also, found this on channel 4 news http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/americas/mexico+missing+children++exclusive+report/3496377
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Michel this site is great the way it is now; it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
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Drift, ask Michel to send you my email, I want to ask you something, tell him to send my REAL email, not one of my many aliases I use when trolling through craigslist “casual encounters” ads, Ha! LOL.
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yanawana Yes it will be a long time before I forget who Gary Hill is. His other girlfriend ‘Claudia’ who was beheaded in Juarez, has been completely swept under the rug. He had tried to get out of it claiming she was in ‘Colorado’….but, it was her that was killed. Certain people can get away with anything and everything.
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A forum wouldnt hurt one bit, the site aint broke thats for sure and I enjoy comming here and reading the comments as well as your wrtting..Some of the stuff you write is great if not all of it..My suggestion I think would only enhance the site and provide another spin to things..Alot of poeple here like to argue over what cartel is the baddest and who is the best..I for one dont know all the anwers to most of the stuff but I love to be educated..A forum wolud only be a compliment to the site and we can all become registered users and can provide storys, chismes, and chihuahuaderas from all over the country maybe even separate the threads by cartel or orginazations or states..The little people matter and the storys behind them add to the narco novela we all follow..So why not give the readers a chance to post storys as they unfold and your writing as well would compliment these storys because if we had a forum we can read back and make a connection from story to story and get a better understanding of your writting..Just an idea but a forum would sure get alot of views because it would be compilation of narco buzz from everywhere..
Esmeralda I apologize and I bet your a fox too…lol
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Do you know who this is? Hint : El M_, not Z., with daughter and son.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2705/4307464849_778125aa18_o.jpg
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It looks like Manuel Torres Felix El M1..I heard she got lypo and she looks fooken sexy as hell now she be hanging out with Marisol Torres who is her cousin and daughter of Javier…That gun is bigger that the young kid but he looks like he’s got balls is that Misael M2 or does we have a younger Torres out there getting ready to take the throne?? If it is M1..lol
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el m2 is fat, full of freckles and red headed, he’s like 28 or 29.
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What kind of moron would pose his kids like this?
They look like jr talibon or should I say mexibon suicide bombers.
All that is lacking is the pre attack video.
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Pretty sure this is M1 and M2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-U_mTsD_d0
Listening to the lyrics is funny as hell to me now that Arturo is dead. The song talks shit about M1 and praises Arturo for those of you that don’t speak spanish.
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that kid in the picture is one of manuel’s sons, el misa is manuel’s nephew and is not on those pictures, ..and about that song, only one little part can make manuel cry with rage, “ponte un sombrero de charro”, i think manuel should let his son rest in peace, he makes him look like a hero in one of his corridos, like if he died fighting, poor kid tried to escape from his attackers and got shot in the back, pinche negro se paso de vergas.
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Well he was known as el M6 (raul meza) , he was el M1′s right hand, he was gunned down in 2007, I’ve read that el MZ was the one who ordered his death and then blamed it on the Zetas. The kid is his son. Poor lil bastard, he has his future set for him, they even made him a corrido “arley perez el mini 6″….
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Does any type of innocence exist in these idiots families? So much for football, baseball, young love and dreams.
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I think when you grow up in family surrounded by violence there is a good chance that you will grow up and become a violent person…Como dice el dicho “el que se cria con lobos se ensena ahullar” so I dont see how this kid or anybody bred out of narco families can do anything else unless they want too..But like ganglife here in the states you grow up idolizing these guy cause they got money and girls and drive badd ass cars in your neighborhood and as you grow you become a product of your enviorment nothing diffrent in this case exept for a shit load of money and power.
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True story, i live in El Paso, border to juarez, a friend and i pikd up a hitchhiker after leaving downtown from partying, older man so he posed no threat. to make a long story short, this man told us, after I asked him “where chapo was at”, that Chapo is working alongside the President, felipe calderon, and that in the beginning of this year end of 2009, we would be hearing of how the govt finally got a hold of the beltran-leyva cartel, or gulf cartel. he said that we would slowly start to see it diminish and that eventually Chapo and the President would run all of Mexico….well, low and behold, look what happened since december….he wasnt lying…this info came from a resident of Mexico, a former us resident,vietnam vet, a man who had no resaon to lie to me n my frined that night….crooked govt just like our US govt, bunch of hypocrites hold high posistions in city and state and fed govts…..its all a buncha crap….fook the govt buncha liars like car salesmen, except they get free parking and free health benfits and wear better suits…
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Yeah Michel how come you aren’t getting us badass inside info from old hitchhikers? And you call yourself a report…
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good one, lol!!
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hahaha….yup that’s mini 6…hahaha……seeing him with his pecheras & cuerno is funny as shit…..he looks like pinnochio dressing up as rambo….hahahahah….y a raul meza lo mato el mayo and m1 knew about it…..hahahah..one of mayos many treasons…..along with what he did to el chalo araujo, los numeros, la chiva and el 7 ….hahahahahah
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Vincent Hanna that was funny. An old man told me LOL. It’s almost as bad as Name Changers aka L_Nephew’ and ilegal’s el compa me dijo stories.
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..and as bad as you old tricks to get info, like “how do you know?/ you are lying/ you are wrong/ and giving away fake guesses to get people to correct them to give away info … and, i don’t know who this guy name changer is, but you should take a look on the mirror once in a while, Move”
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I never once in this whole time ever pumped you or Name Changer for info. I know both of you have Arturo’s dick in your mouths even after his own stupidity killed him. Anything you guys give for info would be very slanted towards the retard Arturo, and blatantly wrong. To Name Changer his corpse is still the boss of boss.
For example you two idiots giggling and gossiping like little girls because both of you thought M1 was going to die soon just because he was taking on Arturo’s people. Now because you two hold the boy lovin Arturo to such a high regard, you guys make yourselves believe that whoever goes up against Arturo will surely die. Fast foward to now and Arturo is dead for depending on morons and burning himself, but M1 is alive and kicking.
Another example is those shootouts in Noria and Burrion. A ten year old could see that no where near the number you two want to believe died actually did by looking at the photos and video of what happened. But because you two still want to believe that Arturo was not completly stupid you try and spread rumors of HUNDREDS of people being killed. Don’t even bother look for yourselves and find things out on your own, no just trust ilegal because he says so. I know you weren’t there to actually look at the shootout when it went down. You saw THE EXACT SAME PHOTOS AND VIDEO I SAW, you live in Arizona you retard quit trying act like you where there when it happened.
Neither you nor Name Changer live in Mexico. Both of you are leaving in California (Name Changer) and Arizona (ilegal). All you two do to try and hold an authority of opinion is say, “hey i’m in this business and I used to spit shine Arturo shoes”, which by the way is a great way to burn yourselves. That and your little el compa me dijo stories.
Artruro made so many stupid moves that only dick riding fans of his would nor of seen them. Arturo was stupid and that’s why they got him first because he was the easier target.
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didnt one of JT’s kids get picked up by a big ass convoy in Culiacan?
well a mesero at the Applebee’s in Juarez once told me that in the year 2012 a big turn of events was going to take place all over the world, but i guess we’ll wait and see huh?
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a taxi driver in juarez told me that Move was in love with me, and he was following me around enough to know that i live in arizona, and that by 2012 he was going to marry me.
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well move, since you already know where i live, where do you live?
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lmao
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Drift, ask Michel for my email and email me, I want to ask you something.
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hahahah….move neta WTF!!!! loko a ti ni kien te pele…..ur a *uckin manguera….ni el chapo ni el mayo ni el ondeado te hacen en el mundo……..mejor dile al chino ke te preste su 5.7 pa ke te des un tiro…..ur a cyber narco cheerleader…….get over it….yo naci hombre a ti te estan haciendo…..mejor hechate del famoso talco del mayo pa lo ardido..ur a cyber narco fracasado…..u mad cuz u don’t have it like me……i’m still spending money from 2008 while u work 9-5 to get by…..hahahaha….im gonna put a good for you with el ivan pa ke le diga a su jefe ke te mande pa las cocas…..alcabo ke ur CHAPOS #1 FAN….ay nos vemos voy rumbo a guasave a visitar al compa isidro……lates biatch….
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There is a ton of good stuff attached to this article. This is why the site needs a forum. The idea of regionalizing the forum within identified sections or to specific cartels would be good also. By doing this, it would bring more pure discussion to the articles written such as this, as there would be another location for blogs. I vote yes to a forum.
Yeyo, you made a comment about the affects of being raised and influenced by violence in Mexico and in the family of a cartel member. This is my field as I am a therapist. What creares a sociopath is a combination of many things. Abuse by and exposure to someone modeling abuse are common place with sociopaths which is now called antisocial personality disorder. I can’t imagine that a cartel member leaves business at work, and most would model this as a heros way of live. The witnessing or hearing of violent acts would twist a kids mind also. We are now seing 4th generation cartel members and they have all been more increasingly violent as that is how they are taught.
Prolonged exposure is becoming a significant problem with the US veterans coming home from war. I have not doubt, many innocent Mexicans suffer from the same symptoms from what they have witnessed (especially Juarez citizens). The untreated affects could have lasting and irreversible affects on Mexico.
Lastly, but more serious, the use of cults such as La Familia, the use of Gods and Saints to sensationalize crime, and songs making heros of criminals re-inforces in the younger citizens that criminal behavior is not only acceptible, it is encouraged. Anything goes, women are by far less than men, and the more violent the act, the stronger you are is the mentality.
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By the way, MOVE, most everything I see written by you is personal attacks on other users. You my friend need to change your approach as most see your name and just move on the the next entry because they do not want to read hater news and be brought down with slanderous comments. Come on dude, lighten up, WOW.
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any one else catch this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aImJDW4sxDs
@ 2:36 – 2:41
Rodrigo/el R/ Chino Antrax in LA???????
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hahahah…..te digo compa ilegal…… deke murieron los quemados? preguntele al MOVE…..loko get ur shit straight i don’t talk about anything that’s not already known….u mad cuz the truth hurts ….ur a MANGUERA……from now on ur cyber narco clave is EL M&M….MOVE MANGUERA,,,,hahahahah…..homie y u mad?…..theres enough money to go around……amarrate un huevo y ponte a jalar….one question though….y la gente del mayo estan bien tapaditos??? ……. i may be shit talker but one thing is fosho u’ll never see my pics on d net….ahahahahahah……check out the link below…PURO NARCO KEMADO…….hahahahahha…. bien tapaditos…..
http://www.cpixel.com/searchp.asp?person=S1NAL0A&rv=1
his myspace is “myspace.com/Mazatlan_Sinaloa” mandale un friend request pake te aliviane pa unas cocas….hahahahahahah…..es el consentido Mayo….hahahah
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Move, you suck ass, Dude! You act like the hall monitor, or sum undercover cop that thinks that he can manipulate information from people. I have read more insults from from your self absorbed ass for long enough. It’s like the boy who cried wolf. ” oh no, not this idiot again.” Any halfway good thing that you have said has been overshadowed by pure ignorance. Give it a rest, lame!
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move, i don’t see the words “cocaine and marihuana” nowhere, alfalfa is what one of my brother’s in law horses eat, and vestidos de novia it’s because my little cousin is gonna get married, ..you are being paranoid, be careful man, los gringos don’t like people like you, thinking about conspirations and secret code words.
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T R C , so you are a therapist? Your model of sociopath’s is certainly not mine. Sociopaths ( psychopaths) are believed to be born or have frontal lobe problems that occur later. Most in prison ARE NOT sociopaths. A sociopath cannot be rehabilitated, those effected to be violent by example or life style unless they are already sociopaths, can. I follow Dr. R. Hares model and he is the most respected on this subject in the world. The anti social theory is also questionable, although some do believe that. 1 in 25 are truly sociopaths. They tend to have distince personality traits (such as Barbie) where you can be fooled by them for a long time. Not to contradict you, but I found your statement about sociopaths to be the more elementary belief.
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Move,l-nephew,illegal this is why we need a forum on this page..lol..You guys can send each other private messages when ever the holrses need feed..j/k
TRC the affects of all the narco killings will leave a very intresting affect on on our people..This will breed a much more violent Mexico in the future because people are growing immune and numb as if its just part of life.Very intresting and its somthing that alot of people dont take into consideration
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Esmerelda, I appreciate the challenge. I was just touching on the antisocial persoality disorder and what is commonly the source. They took psycopath and sociopath out of the DSM IV, but I like you beleive truely in the diagnosis. Barbie is the perfect example of a psychopath. The “criminal personality disorder” by Saminoa talks about criminals that meet not just 4 but 8 of the 9 ctiteria listed for antisocial, narcisistic, histrionic, and borderline personality disorders. I may be wrong on the spelling of his name but I found his stuff about ten years ago and working with recently released convicts, his treatment model was excellant (search criminal personality disorder). Abuse, closed head injuries, exposure to violence, genetic loading, and many other factors in combination cause the disorders.
E, this was not where I was going with my comment. I was more focusing on the effects of cartels and the effects of criminal behavior in Mexico. Thanks for giving me feedback, I do not want to seem elemetary. And yes, there is a tremendous difference in antisocial personality d/o and psychopath.
E, I have been to prison twice and was a herion addict for 15 years before I got clean 21 years ago. After I got clean at 34, I got a Bachelors degree, then a Masters in Social Work, then a Masters in Business Management. I’m not green to the subjects we discuss. My primary interest is the Juarez and Ojinaga areas as I live near them. I am gringo and do not read Spanish well so I depend on sites like this for information.
I in know way, want to come across as a know it all, for you all know far more that I. I am 21 years removed. But ask me about La Nacha and Pablo’s eras and we can talk for hours. Thanks for the channel check Esmerelda. And I too suspect you are hot.
YeYo, we will see the effect of these dynamic for years and possibly forever.
P.S. I’m not good with spell check. (LOL)
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answer the bleepin question,move? la gente del mayito, are they very discreet? yes or no?….hahahaha pa eso me gustabas…and i don’t go around lookin for these mofos ellos solitos se empinan… hahaha… mandale un friend requestwey….dile ke sueñas ser narco…hahaahah
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esos perros como el del myspace presumen a lo amár, pero cuando llega la hora de cumplir con su parte, se arrugan los putos bocones, yo por eso ni el saludo les doy, no vaya a ser que me dejen manco, lol!!!
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hahahahah…..MOVE……u being the zambada guzman cartel historian…tell me who’s the cat in the picture (es el consentido del mayo y tambien por el chapo)….cuenta cuenta story teller…..biatch everything u hear or know u got it from a bleepin blog or a newspaper…..u don’t know nobody…..eres manguera….cuenta cuenta….who’s the cat in the pic? what are his duties in the cartel?……cuenta cuenta story teller…..ya te calle el ocico……u have no leg to stand on….u r a MANGUERA!!!!….hahahahahhaaha……send him a friends request and ask him for an interview….hahahahah….
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…..biatch everything u hear or know u got it from a bleepin blog or a newspaper
Yeah and even with that I still get my shit right a lot more than you and ilegal combined. Didn’t you say Arturo has more pull than Mayo and Chapo put together. ONLY TWO YEARS out on his own he gets killed, the guy obviously couldn’t hadle the pressure. And didn’t you and ilegal say that M1 was supposed to be dead already? See you can’t help but be wrong because you two want dick ride Arturo so much, even after died.
And Mochomo is not going to do shit when he comes out. Looking for some rat you say, which rat, Barbie the man Arturo brought in to his organization due to his homosexuality.
I don’t care who that guy is, for one it’s obvious he makes his living in the US. I know he is that guy you were arguing with in that other site. He is just like you except that he dick rides Mayo. And anyone that is put to work in the US is because he is very expendable. I doubt the world would come crashing down on Mayo if they ever arrest that guy, like it did to Arturo when the Marina came down on him.
So just admit Name Changer. You were wrong and I was right. Arturo was a moron and Chapo and Mayo would outlast him
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ya callanse a la verga bola de bueys ya llego el jefe de jefes pa controlar be nice guys
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hahahaha…..what other site? move?…….hahahaha,,,,,acabo de consultar con el oracle de delphi y me acaban de sacar de una duda….hahahahaha…MOVE=CAPOMO….hahahahahah….what other site?…. rosalino.com????hahahahaha…..MOVE is CAPOMO..hahahahahaha…… MOVE…..tell us about ur uncle and cousin whom got executed in texas……cuz they shot a guy over a dime bag of coke……..cuenta cuenta story teller….im surprised….en el otro foro eras enemigo mortal del badirajoto y aki le lambes el chikito a su tio….hahahah……come on move enlighten us with ur narco info….tell us about ur crush with el cochiloco….hahahah….aya te dimos tu cyber encobijada y veniste a cagar el palo aki,,,,haahahahah… cuenta cuenta story teller,,,,,,tell us about ur ranch in san fernando valley…….hahahaha
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Ya estuvo. No more.
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Ahhh man, what else are we supposed to read on the throne now?
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Donde esta el sanitario? El queso esta viejo y pordrido
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Chin.. Que pues con los 13 estudiantes asesinados en Juarez, se pasaron.
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Ya ni la chihuahuan fueron 15 en total de muertos
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Quien se aventaria el jale? Chapo, La Linea? Michel, you should investigate this.
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ocho mas jovenes
http://www.wradio690.com/nota.aspx?id=946770
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Y la balacera en Magdalena, quienes fueron??
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ad one more drift, 16 so far.
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What in the hell is going on in Juarez? The number has risen to 16 now. Sixteen students! This seems so ridiculous. Pardon me, this “is” so ridiculous. These innocent children can’t even go to a party at a friends house without crap like this happening. This is the ultimate example of oppression by cartels and the Mexican Government in Mexico.
Ten murders Friday, 12 Saturday, including 2 beheadings not including these 16. It was an typical weekend in the worlds most dangerous city.
What was this? A retaliation by El Chapo because he could not locate the true enemy? Or was he making a statement to the public that “he” is capable of doing “anything” he wants to? Could it be associated with the 2 beheadings from earlier in the weekend? Or was it his right hand, the military following his order? Did the Dumb asses just get the wrong house? Was this a poor little 15 year old niece of a cartel lieutenant at a party with all her 15 year old friends, therefore send the army to take them all out to prove we are the badest?
Or was it the La Linea committing another terrible act to draw attention to how poorly the military is policing Juarez? Or maybe it was to draw attention to the collaboration of the military and the Sinaloa Cartel?
I wish (LOL) Nancy Grace would discover what is going on in Mexico and talk about this for 14 weeks like she does with more trivial issues here. i actually cannot stand the lady but she could bring some heated interest.
Why is Juarez the ignored city? We talk about everywhere in Mexico but Juarez. What is going on with Dos Letres and the La Linea? Are they holding their on against El Chapo? Or even more, pushing him back?
Is Calderon so in bed with El Chapo that he could allow Mexican commandos (military) to do this and turn a blind eye?
All due respect, I loved the Old Mexico and its tradition. But has it become an inhumane joke that is leaderless. Has greed and corruption overshadowed everything good? There is an evil in Juarez, an evil so great that the Devil himself fears walking those streets after midnight. They would take him like a pack of hungry jackals on a rabbit.
If action is not taken on this event, the lights will go very dim on turning anything in all of Mexico around. I am starting to lose faith fast that anything will help. Giving every Mexican citizen a gun to protect themselves would be one solution. If this happened in my city, and the good ole boys had a idea who did it, billions of dollars and all the coke in the world would not stop them from retaliating. The average Mexican citizen is defenseless without weapons but the government so fears a much needed revolution, therefore will not allow it. They are powerless!
And this happened Saturday. Is it so unimportant that they El Paso Times can wait until Monday to publish this? Shame on them too! I have noticed that they are not reporting much that goes on in Juarez and i am sure the cartels have influenced them too.
T_R_C Teddy Ray Cadillac….My Poker Allias…Im a gambler too…
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TRC now you know what psychopaths are. Juarez is the Psychopaths playground, good name for a book<???? Por Favor
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E, you are absolutely correct about that. Juarez is full of them. That has been obvious since the serial killing began in 1993. Your title reminded me of Diane Washington Valdez’ article in the El Paso Times “a Serial Killer Playground.” Her book is very good too, “The Killing Fields, Harvest of Women.” It is very deep about all the history and politics surrounding the murders. I have no doubt you have read it though. I have studied serial killers for years. Bundy was a classic psychopath, read his history. Another perfect example was “The Night Stalker,” who was actually from Juarez. This was a great book and the author takes you from beginning to end leaving no doubt what caused Richard Ramirez to become the creature he was. He terrorized LA for a year. “The Green River Killer” is another E, you have some psych backgroung too don’t you?
I had something to ask you. Barbie finished high school and played football therefore was possibly a normal kid. He killed someone in a head on colision when he was a senior. I wonder if he was knocked unconscious during the accident? He may have received a closed head injury which could be one of the sources of his behavior and lack of guilt and remorse.
Here is an excellant book about research into what creates a serial killer and for our purpose cartel leaders, “Serial Killers, the Insatiable Passion.” It is a PhDs research on what creates a sociopath. If you read this and then look at what happened to Richard Ramirez growing up as described in The Night Stalker, you will see that there are indicators that can help us predict behavior.
Maybe we all need to combine our efforts and knowledge to a book.
As usual, I am writting this while playing on line poker, so see you later.
P,S. You are hot aren’t you? Admit it girl. Your hot with a brain!
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Esmerelda, how about this. Lets do 3 books.
The first on The History of Drug Trafficing and Drug Cartels in Mexico
The second on The Cartel Wars in The Calderon Era.
Third, The Sociologcal and Psychological Effect on Mexico from the Cartel Wars in the Caleron Era.
I think I will refer to you as HWAB (hot with a brain) from now on. I hope you approve.
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i like the book Down By the River by Charles Bowden about the Jordan Family and some little stories about what was going on in Juarez during that era of the 90s, i actually know some of the Jordan Family even hooked up with a niece, and Esmeralda i now want to know if your hot…..
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Charles Bowden is coming up with a book called MURDER CITY. It’s about Juarez and it’s due in April.
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Supposedly this will part of the book.
http://charlesbowden.mysites.nl/mypages/charlesbowden/479209.html
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Drift, was she Italian? Bowden is incredible in that book and he opened my eye to how high corruption goes up in the Mexican Government. There is a book of photographs that he did that goes along with that book. I lost it and cant remember the name. It has a photo of a spiderman looking guy climbing a fence. This isn’t right but something like Juarez, the Incabater of the Future. In Down by the River he talked about a beautiful El Paso girl that had visited a warehouse where 10 tons got busted in El Paso. Armado orders that everyone that had any contact with the warehouse be killed. One saying of his coined in Drug Lord was “better 8 innocent men die than 1 guilty man live.” Her boyfriend was a hitman for the cartel and had to kill her. The photography book shows her. An absolute angel laying in the sand with a single bullt wound to the head. The reason was, she was not a snitch, she just talked to much. Her boyfriend had to do it and they implied that he was high up in the La linea. Without mentionimg names, I wonder it it was not the current plaza boss? I really believe it was.
Have you read Dirty Dealing about the Lee and Jimmy Chagra and the assasination of the federal judge by Woody on cheers real father. I”ve played poker with a lot of those card players in that book. Amarillo Slim for one. In fact played with him 8 months ago. And yes, I won. That is a good one and it is from my time. They were some of the originals. Im not telling you anything you didn’t already know. I have sat and talked with Amarillo Slim about the old days many times over the years. He is quite a crook. I think he is 81 now and can still play. I hear he has a big card room in Las Cruces now. In fact, I went to prison in Las Cruces in 83. I loved Speaking Rock. I met so many people at that place. I have many friends in Juarez that I met there and resent that I can’t go see them. I worry a lot! I still have hate for George W. Bush for closing that casino. It was sweet and easy!!!!!!!!!
Tell me more about the neice, Drift….I will tell you about Paola sometime….
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Good stuff Move, I had only found a small part of that article out of Harpers Bizarre. That looks like the whole article.
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TRC actually there was alot of errors in the Night Stalkers killings, they found many he was accused of was done by another monster, Tommy Lynn Sells. I know this for one of the victims was my sister, along with her 4 yr. old daughter. But good old Tommy now sits on death row in Texas, waiting to fry and complaining, complaining complaining. Everyone seems quite curious about me, I will say this. Psychopathology has been a study of mine for many years. Barbie would be a great one to have a study of his childhood. The fact that he was a football player means nothing. Some even become Politicians. Am I hot?? We will save that for another day, enough self disclosure.
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I’m going to have to put a vote out there for Esmerelda to give us a glimpse, does anyone second that?
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I have never reaad that book on the Chagras but I did know John Guerrero the detective that A&E interviewed when they had the biography on them I lived upstairs and him downstairs he actually even got a little involed in an episode when they tried to kidnap me when I was 10 at an apartment complex on the eastside of town in el paso and the niece is a probation officer here in el paso, I was cuaght off guard when I found out who she really was and I only found out because my mother had gone to a house party and the conversation came up with phil Jordans mother, I was trying to get my marriage back together because my exwife was very pissed off cuz of the niece. But she’s a nice kid and I got nothing bad to say about her or her family. Do it Vincent, let’s egg on esmeralda! Lol
Nice link Move
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Sorry it isnt going to happen, I have too much at stake here. TRC, it kept me awake last night, though it really shouldn’t have. About Diane W V, I find it (odd, coincidental, flattering, meaningless) that her new book is ‘Serial Killers playground’, as I have conversed with her in the past. I have been working on an article with the phrase ‘ psychopaths playground’ for about 4 years now. Could be just a coincidence, doesnt really matter though……I did nothing to protect it and her book is a variation of the title only. All the flattery is sweet, but remember the Wizard on the Wizard of Oz. I also am serious about what I am doing, and that wont be compromised.
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It is refreshing to see people using good dialogue. Esmerelda, I am impressed with your clinical views on things. I raised into the drug world. So for me, it’s like changing my socks. I was schooled in the ways of narcotics trafficking. It’s in my blood. Psycholigically, I am a mess. I live with it. Anyway, keep up the good work. I would love to read some of your stuff in the future. I try to not make an ass of myself, but it felt good to see some resourceful comments for a change. Thanks for the inspiration.
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100th comment bitches, suck it, hahaha.
Esmerelda, i got plenty of time sweetheart…
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i dont think esmeralda is interested in any of us guys…can we focus on the discussions instead? go somewhere else and flirt, there’s plenty of chat rooms and websites dedicated to that
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I think sometimed diana washington buys too much into the rumors of what she writes or just goes off of what some of the authorities tells her, some of the nonsense written about my family was complete bullshit and my mother did call a reporter to talk smack when I told her not to but emotions get the best of her. I really couldn’t read into her stories, no offense to you esmeralda. Maybe you can tell me if by any chance if you knew art werge cuz I haven’t heard anything of him in a long time, its like he just dropped off the face off the earth
Do your thing vinnie!!!! Lmao
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My life is consumed with my work and actually I like it that way. I meet many ‘bad boys’ in my profession, so many that could probably even of made Mother Theresas heart flutter. I would never fall for someone on the internet and prefer Nerds. So respectfully I say, whether I am a fox, a dog, or whatever; I think this is annoying some people. Lots of testosterone on here, but in the sense of this web site, I am not even real.
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Esmerelda, I need to appoligize for a several things. First, the article (not book) I spoke of was not by D W V, it was “Cuidad Juarez: The Serial Killers’ Playground,” by Michael Newton (Feb. 7, 2003). Your title just triggered a thought and I thought I recalled that it was D W V. I rarely find others that have similar interests such as cartels, criminal minds, serial killers and sociopathic behavior. I have read a lot over time and tend to suggest books that I have read and it may come across in a peculiar way. Late at night my mind races sometimes when I recall things I have read. I do not want to be the Wizard, there are to many of them on my job. I was merely joking myself about writing the books and about the subjects and titles. Your disclosure kept me up too for several reasons. You have a genuine reason for pursuing your goals, you have obviously delt with things in a very healthy manner, and ethically, people such as yourself need a safe site to bring their wealth to. Most of all, comments on appearence have nothing to do with why we all read and particpate on this site. I think I chose a bad way of saying “you are very interesting.”
Peace…..trc
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Move, thanks for that link to Charles Bowdens writing sample. I found it completely amazing. I will deffinitely be purchasing the book. Found it interesting when the subject explains how he hates sicarios that ‘enjoy killing’ our minds need to go into denial so much that everyone I have ever met, can act like they have limits to the evil they do. There is always someone out there…’they would never be like’. Always makes me wonder how low someone can go before redemption is impossible. In some beliefs I realize nothing cannot be forgiven.
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http://lapolaka.com/2010/02/02/el-comando-tiene-proteccion-oficial/ about death squads in ciudad juarez.
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TRC, the book you were talking about is called, “Juarez: The Laboratory of Our Future.” I found that one a bit odd. I thought “A Shadow in the City” by Charles Bowden was almost as good as “Down by the RIver.”
Another good book about the Juarez femicides is called,”The Daughters of Juarez.” (Forgot author)
Move, thanks for the heads up on the new book. When you make posts like that, it makes up for some of the cyber drama you get involved in.
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Thanks Tantos, I could not remember. I think he was more focusing on the incredible photography that the Juarez shooter did than writing much. He seemed to be using his name to help the photograher sell his work of a lifetime. Thank you. I will grab a copy of “A Shadow in the City.” Teresa Rodriquez wrote The Daughters of Juarez.” It was pretty good but did it seem to you that a lot of her stuff came from what she read on the internet? I think especially during those times the Juarez Cartel really kept the press oppressed. There is not very much about it. I will check out Shadow.
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juarezpress.com has the story on the sicario they are questioning about the 16 children with a picture and from what little this gringo can get, he is giving it all up. I think he is La Linea. Can someone read it and summarize for me. I certainly do not put it past them to beat a confession out of an innocent man but by all the El 13, El 21, El 24 kind of stuff, it might be legit.
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That interview sounds like a bunch of b.s…just a chivo expiatorio… scapegoat
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Thank you Mario. Isn’t that what we expected from Juarez Justice. That makes you wonder if the event was planned just to blame it on the Juarez Cartel. I doubt we will ever know.
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They had the people back in Mexico City choking them to get someone. So if he’s telling the truth, they just messed up by publicizing it, the others will now be elsewhere. He was just a lookout, he didn’t participate in the attack according to the interview… The Juarez authorities must really believe people are stupid enough to believe their bs.
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I am new to this forum and I have a question about the guad scene. I am not a narc and have no experience in this regard, but need some advice. can someone help?????
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Cheka Zapopan y Tlaquepaque, Ay ‘ta la pura mata.
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Lost, I feel for you. I would love to help you, but I don’t know if anyone can really help you. Follow your heart, Every time I didn’t follow my own gut, I regretted it. Can you be a little more specific?
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Well, this site is very interesting. I like everyone’s opinions or ideas on what has happened and what is going to happen. I think some of ya’ll forget to realize that information is just as important as misinformation. Although I have heard about Calderon and El Chapo teaming up a long time ago, I would say just before he was elected.
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its not hard at all. get a group of highly trained and highly paid individuals to enforce iorn hand on all who are tripped up on drugs. Mules, runners, retail dealers, wholesale dealers, body guards and even thier maids. mandatory 100 years max prison sentance for anything over 10kilos of coke, meth, tar, or morfina. if they put up any resistance there will be an automatic mandatory death sentance with a bullet to the head. Come on now id even pull the trigger.
Its that or regulate the shit out of drugs and open the flow but tax the hell out of it so you hit two fronts users and sellers. then you control quality, quantaty, and maybe even put it on the stock market. imagine that. Chapo coke ticker CHCK and its stock at 200 each. jajajajaj ill buy in to it.
Get a grip. there needs to be some hard hand work and some logical plocies by both sides of the border. Pinche calderon nor el negrito obama are making a dent on niether side of the border.
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You got that right. Great comment! They had better change something or it will only get worse. 30 years of failed policy has wreaked havoc. But Mexico is so corrupt that a lot of them are preaching change while eriching themselves from it at the same time. Mexico is not a democracy, folks. When you can introduce democracy, the corruption will evolve. Then you might have change.
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