Chapo Returns to Nogales
Feb 10th, 2010 | By Michel Marizco | Category: General News, Organized Crime
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THE BORDER REPORT
Nogales, Sonora, is becoming the testing ground for our power restructuring theory in Mexico’s cartel wars. The Sinaloans started making their move on the city Monday, amidst concentrated gunbattles and two grenade attacks that have left at least eight dead and 24 wounded. Will Chapo Guzmán be able to take the town?
Mexican law enforcement sources in Hermosillo say the Sinaloans have finally come north to take back a city they had held only tenuously for the past two years. They’re using a local northern Sonora gang, Los Jabalí, to do it.
Nogales has always been under the control of the Sinaloans, but since 2007, the city had become a stronghold for Arturo Beltrán Leyva and seemed to be a bit of a sore point for El Chapo Joaquín Guzmán. By early 2009, an uneasy truce had left the city split nearly in half, east and west, roughly speaking, Calle Internacíonal served as the fulcrum point. The geographic split is similar to that in Tijuana. Beltrán’s people east of the line, Chapo and Mayo Zambada’s people to the west. Beltrán had the barrios in Buenos Aires; Chapo and Mayo, downtown and the Mariposa port. His top man in the area, Dos Mil, Francisco Hernandez is going to be interesting to watch. I’ve been waiting for this because without Beltrán’s backing, it was only a matter of time before the Sinaloans made their move on him. They seem to be getting around to it now.
Municipal police in Nogales were almost exclusively working for Beltrán. During the last PRI mayoral administration, Beltrán’s people were going so far as to demand officers donate blood to one of his top men in the area. Now, the Jabalí are targeting the city’s police force. During yesterday’s attack, six dead, one of those targeted was the base commander for the city police force’s northernmost outpost.
If in fact Chapo is attempting to drive Beltrán’s people out of course, he’s gonna have to start with Dos Mil.
But the guy’s proven to be resilient against the best efforts of the Mexican Army, the Sonora State Police, and at least until now, against Chapo. We’ll see if he maintains his position now that he no longer has Beltrán’s backing.
I hope Chapo gets that piece of work. But you are right, he has put up a good fight in the past. We will just have to see if he has the backing. All eyes on Nogy!!!
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I Hope Chapo Dies
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Maria Patricia Rodriguez Monslave??? aka ,La Doctora,La Senora or La Viuda..Anybody know anything about her and 21 others busted in Colombia?? Supestamente they where Chops main source in Colombia she inherited the spot after her husband Francisco Cifuentes was murked in 2007 and owed Chapo 7 tons that he had already payed for..So Chapo presured her to get him his shit or else, this when La Viuda took over daily operations for her husband .. She is originally from Sinaloa I belive and was known to be good friends with Sandra Avila.But the weirest shit about this is that if she and the 21 other people arrested where being wire tapped for over 3 years and if they are connected to Chapo why aint he in jail yet??
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Chapo needs to stay where he belongs and that is right below Mayo..I always wondered dont these fookers have enough money? Why not quit while your ahead?
I cant imagine a loss of profit in the dope game unless you jagg it off your self..lol..maybe they need the money to keep paying off the athorities but damm Tijuana,Juarez and Sonora when is enough enough for these people you havent won one yet why try to start shit elswhere..Bad war tactics if you ask me you have to win atleast one battle to win a war and Chapo hasnt officialy won one yet..Maybe it aint even Chapo maybe its Mayo throwin Chapo out to the wolfs cause this guy has enough shit on his plate.
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its not only the jabalines from santa ana but also negro sabori and the salazar family from caborca they allied at the end of last year
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You’re absolutely right yeyo, it is just chapos ego. Zetas, carillos people n beltrans people are still giving battle in sinaloa.. first he should clean his own state before trying to gain more ground… yeah they can sing 100′s of corridos about his so called comandos n this and that but that it helping..
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YeYo, do unconscionable amounts of cocaine everyday for 30 years and see how sound your decisions are. It would be nice to see Chapo’s realm end but just as we have been saying, the next generation is 4 times as ruthless. What would it be like if 4 Tio types took over his position. But of course, it would still be worth it.
The US billionaire is the perfect example of why they kept doing what they do. It has long since not just been the goal of making money. It is about the power, control, and prestige they get. Chapo, a Forbes man, LOL. Now what affect did that have on that power hungry coke head.
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No hablan mal del senor guzman learn some respect now go get ya shine box
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Por que no Cardian? Nos vas a dar piso ?
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Like i said mario go get ya shine box mario’s parents keep him locked in the basement they are that ashamed of him
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Struck a nerve buddy? haha. tus mamadas.
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I was joking mario no te aguitas guey puro cotoreo
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Por eso me rei wey.. que no miras el haha..
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Por que creen ustedes que no se sabe nada del Dos Mil, así en el publico? Por ejemplo, solo veo una foto de el, uno que solto la Procuraduría del estado de Sonora hace tres años.
Se hace raro; tengo fotos de Arturo, de Barbie, Tony Tormenta, El Muletas, todos los traficantes regionales, pero no encuentro de Dos Mil.
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Because Bad Boys move in silence Michael
Too much noise is bad for business
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Yeah, but nobody else moves in silence. There’s cellphone photos, ordenes de aprehensíon, U.S. indictments, chismes; sightings.
Dos Mil? Nothing.
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You don’t hear much on J L Ledesma out of Juarez either. You just see their results. Very few photos.
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los salazar are backed by el M……le kieren calentar el terreno al 2000….se la van a pelar….lazcano y el H ya dieron la order de mandarle refuerzos…..ay viene la mochomera del norte y zetas por el este….. el mayo no pudo con el isidro en guasave y en mazatlan el chaguin tiene la plaza al 1000…..los mayos sienten cercas la voladora….hasta en culiacan se le estan metiendo….y los antrax ni sus luces….hahahah….la empresa sigue al millon aunke el arturon ya no esta…..
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I was once visited by an aquainatance of Dos Mil…. Very very quiet type. Not young at all… He was brought from Guerrero or Puebla, cant’ recall at the moment. Just a listener, hence: gatherer of information I suppose… I was offered some extrememly good money to follow a loaded semi to New York. (RECHASE EL TRABAJO POR SI LAS DUDAS) I’ve done my share of “filthy” work many years ago, and have the confidence of many many real goodfellaz, back when the plazas were split between the cartels thanks to the “master diplomat and tradesman” Amado Carrillo. No doubt, his death slowly commenced the hell being brought on in Mexico, followed by Calderons’ “war on the cartels”, thus worsening the scenario, and inviting rivalry amongst themselves (the cartels). Now Michaels’ met me before, and so I have no reason to bullshit anyone, or write some fairy tale bull$#!t… just a note on how his (2Mils’) people operate… quiet, attentive aware… and the weird thing is, he and his people know who I used to work for… yet I still have their respect… I went down hard in Mexico and “purposely put my hand in the cookie jar” for many families who would have otherwise lost their fathers, mothers, sons and daughters to countless individual prison terms. All this when the cartels were united. And those families belonged to different cartels members from mostly all the factions from Mexicali to Juarez, which included the Sinaloa/Guadalajara/Federacion cartel, the Baltran Leyva group and the Juarez Cartel (Amado Carrlllo)… PERO AHORA MIREN COMO SE PUSO EL DESMADRE! Ouch! Not what it used to be… : (
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el 2000 es de pokas palabras…..no le busken porke le encuentran…..tiene el respaldo del H y el lazca….el tronco del arbol de los beltran no se derrumbo con la muerte del tio……..el cartel sigue activo……pa ke toreaban las abispas……ahora agarranse…..do u all think the recent spike of violence in sinaloa is a coincidence?hahahaha…..el H va por las cabezas del chapo y el mayo ke de sinaloa no salen…ya no hay arreglo…la riata se revento como lo dice el corrido……..el tio se paso de bueno con esos perros traicioneros…..
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A rumor about 18 months ago that Dos Mil got smoked with a bunch of nobodies way down south in MX by a group out of the Americas. Nothing ever confirmed or followed up. Strange that all the grupos andan en chihuahua in northern Sonora but he is not to be seen. Ya veremos dijo el cieguito.
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acabo de consultar con el oracle de delphi y me dijo ke el dos mil anda en sonora bien protegido por su eZcolta…..hhahahaha….sinaloa pronto se escribira con Z….Zinaloa….suena mas bonito ke no????….
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Back about a year ago or so, a source in Hermosillo told me Dos Mil had been captured in Nuevas Casas Grandes, somewhere along the Chihuahua/Sonora border. Captured and released.
The PGJE in Sonora and the American Feds lo rechazaron pero siempre guarde la duda. No sé.
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Seems to me I was right when I said that the Zetas were going to start taking over the leadership of the Beltranes. EL Golfo already split from Lazcano because he was being to abusive with his power. It want be long before el Lazca will be giving orders to Hector.
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I heard the same rumor. Then I heard marco paredes got picked up. Both of them are free. Both of them had been battling it out in Cananea for years. Then rumors of a peace deal, even after dos mil rubbed out Leo Paredes and family at los talipas restr. In AP. Dos Mil is a survivor. He is quiet for a while, then he shows his face again. I talked to a friend in phoenix last night. He works for the beltran leyva outfit. They say they have product in Nogales waiting to bring over the frontera. I am pretty sure these people are not going to be letting go of Nogales any time soon. So as bad as I think dos mil is for business doesn’t make any difference. Don’t look like he’s going anywhere. Unless the miliitary takes him out, he will continue to be a thorn in chapo’s side. todays world is product of failed diplomacy. Since the death of Amado carillo, diplomacy has gone out the window. Now its all about greed. I don’t take sides with any of them. However, for persoal reasons, dos mil I dislike him. Even though he has murdered some of my fathers enemies. Mexico is an ugly world these days. A status quo is far off in the making.
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HOUSTON ASTROS Spanish-language radio broadcaster FRANCISCO ROMERO and his family escaped injury when they were caught in gunfire MONDAY at the U.S.-MEXICO border. MLB.COM reports that the ROMERO family — ROMERO, his wife ARISSA, and their three-year-old daughter ISABELLA — was waiting at Well i guess I’m back to crossing at Lukeville……”the checkpoint at NOGALES to cross from SONORA into ARIZONA when gunfire erupted. Four were killed and 17 injured in the incident, but the ROMEROS took cover in their truck and headed back into town before attempting the border crossing again.
“It lasted what seemed like an eternity, but it was only about three-and-a-half or four minutes,” ROMERO, who lives in the TUCSON area, said. “The shooters were 50 yards to our right, and about 150 yards from the actual border. The last three years, it’s something very common in that area of NOGALES. You’re aware of it, but you don’t know you’re going to be in the middle of a shootout.”
ROMERO and analyst and former major league catcher ALEX TREVINO call ASTROS games for UNIVISION Spanish Talk KLAT-A (LA TREMENDA 1010)/HOUSTON.
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Mini 6 and Gonzalito Araujo
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yeah rabbit i personally know marcos paredes will never have a truce with dos mil cmon he took out 3 of his family members i mean look at marcos and even leo as big and pesado pesado they are the media dont throw pics of them all over either i mean cmon u are talking about the biggest or one of the top drug families and drug traffickers in sonora in los paredes yeah dos mil what a piece i wish they catch him for personal reasons and hesbad for business when u take out people just for petty reasons how stupid u do things when reasons call for them not just for the hell of it .but still marcos is a survivor too. i mean look how long the powerful paredes have control and been in the northeastern corridor of sonora many years and still dos mil has tried and never been able to come in chapo is too strong he will regain nogy and take out dos he has his day coming believe me but if u know the whole story rabbit dos mil have a big help in some how convincing one of leos main guys and good friends at the time in sergio ramirez who betrayed them for dos mil but look now where is sergio … for those that dont know not in the world any more.
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Has anyone else heard that there is belief that Blackwater is an organization connected to Zetas? That alot of the power they have had within the government is because of this fact?
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rabbit we should talk
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MANTA 1:
(El encabesado)
Esta carta ba para la ciudadanía para que se den cuenta o para aquellos que ya tienen conocimiento federal protejan al Chapo Guzmán y a su jente que son los culpables de la masacre de gente inocente que sucedio en Torreon, para el gobierno federal que solo hay zetas en el pais, y carteles enigmas del Chapo Gúzman que es el protegido de los panistas…
MANTA 2:
Desde que Vicente Fox entro en el poder y solto todavia sigue el compromiso asta la fecha a pesar de la masacre de gente inocente o que es eso de estar matando coidadano inocente en las discotecas ¡La pregunta es! ¿porque lo hacen? porque no ce pueden defender porque no pelean de frente a frente cual es la mentalidad invitamos al gobierno federal que ataque a todos los carteles por igual y a sus protegidos y que metan gobierno en culiacan y durango que es de donde vienen las ordenes paracer estas barbaridades como sucedio en ciudad juarez y torreon.
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Ese Garcia Luna es el que pacto con el chapo.
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johnny walls el 2000 is bad for business? y el chapo, no?
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L nephew esta bien ardido porque su vieja lo hizo chivo con un sinaloense
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Whats with all the anti chapo shit??? fook all of them..This fool L nephew has some issues against them it almost seems like a smear campaign of some sort..Chapo will get his, L nephew just as Lazca and any other narco will..Then sombody else will replace them..fook being a fan as long as there is money to be made I dont care and you shouldnt either about who is the best or the badest..Quit being a little hoe, ha ha haing like you know them personaly cause if you did you wouldnt be on here narco banging so hard.
There is bigger problems in mexico like all the inocent people getting murked and the affect all this shit is going to leave on the youth of the country..and the flow of drugs halted because these fookers lack diplomatic skills and are so ate up from their drug use that they think they own the world..fook I rather have the goverment apointed drug dealers run shit in a more civil manner.
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Johnny, I respect Marcos. We will figure a way.
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YEYO SAID, “There is bigger problems in mexico like all the inocent people getting murked” also “fook being a fan as long as there is money to be made I dont care and you shouldnt either”….YEYO YOU CARE ABOUT ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING KILLED , RIGHT? WELL WHAT ABOUT THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHOSE LIFES ARE AFFECTED BECAUSE THEIR FAMILY MEMBER IS A DRUG ADDICT? YEYO YOU’RE A HYPOCRITE…..GET A LIFE AND A REAL JOB. GOD BLESS.
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Everyone, all I know is there is a huge business that is out of control. Innocent people are getting killed. The prison system is getting overloaded with non violent drug offenders. There is no justice in a broken system. Dos mil murdered friends. It needs to end.
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Yeyo, don’t let em get to ya. Your comments are good, most of the time.
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little RABBIT so ur concerned about the INNOCENT PEOPLE killed,too? what about THE INNOCENT peoples LIFES u destroyed cuz their FAMILY MEMBER or members LIFES became consumed by the drugs you provided….do you care ABOUT them too?
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Capt. America,
I’m deleting your comments for personal attacks on fellow readers.
While you’re welcome to join in the conversation, I’d appreciate if
you kept your remarks relevant to the discussion.
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Check it out , lame. We all make choices. I never forced anyone to do anything. I got your little hanging. I went to prison for being a profiteer. Three biggest killers are legal. Booze, guns and tabaco kill, too. Are you screaming over that. Go troll somewhere else.
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personal attacks? wtf i thought u were the only legit reporter… now i see u cater to the scum too… YEYO goes on a rampage cuz nephew posted something relevant that happened (narco mantas) but no squeal from u….yet im dishin personal attacks… me aguitas michel…
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Nogales police commander shot in his pick-up
By Cesar Barron
Published Friday, February 12, 2010 9:31 AM MST
Several gunfights erupted early this week in Nogales, Sonora leaving three dead and more than 10 injured including the commander of the municipal police department’s northern zone.
Gunmen burst into the Herraduras Restaurant leaving one dead in their wake.
Also, a hotel was completely destroyed in a fire sparked by explosives and the front façades of two more hotels were riddled with bullets.
At dawn Tuesday morning, one body was found wrapped tightly in a blanket and another man was assassinated outside a restaurant where another individual had been shot and killed the night before.
At about 10 p.m. Monday, on Cinco de Febrero and Maclovio Herrera streets, Commander Daniel Bautista Borboa was attacked by gunmen as he traveled with his wife and daughter in a pick-up truck.
He was shot in the leg and arm and officials say Bautista Borboa’s life was saved by a bullet-proof vest he was wearing. Bautista Borboa purportedly put his arms around his wife and daughter to protect them. The pair escaped injuries.
Bautista Borboa was taken by ambulance to a Nogales, Sonora hospital and later transported across the border to Carondelet Holy Cross Hospital and subsequently airlifted to a Tucson hospital.
Just after 10 p.m. on Monday, shots were reported at the Sahuaro Hotel on Ruiz Cortinez Street. Police discovered smoke coming from the interior and later spotted about 10 persons, some of whom had sustained burns, fleeing from the hotel yelling for help.
Witnesses said many of those were migrants staying in the hotel waiting to be taken illegally into the United States.
Some were transported by ambulance to local hospitals while others were taken in a police patrol vehicle as first responders’ resources became strained.
Firefighters were called to the scene to extinguish the blaze under police protection. It is believed whoever started the fire used grenades while others riddled the hotel with AK-47s. At least 25 bullet holes were counted on the hotel wall and investigators recovered 57 shell casings.
Outside the hotel, police spotted a green Ford Contour sedan with three bullet holes in the windshield. Lying on the side of the front left tire, they found a man who had been shot in the head.
He was taken to General Hospital where he died shortly after midnight. The victim had no identification.
At about 11 p.m., inside Herraduras Restaurant on the south side of the city, Martin Salcedo Hernandez, 44, was gunned down while dining with members of his family following the funeral of his mother.
Two other persons were injured, Francisco Manuel Hernandez, 20, and Claribel Molinares Noriega, 24. Salcedo Hernandez died on the operating table at General Hospital.
State police investigators found 14 AK-47 shell casings inside the popular eatery.
The violence did not end there. At 11:50 p.m. shots were fired on the front facade of the Elias Hotel on Ruiz Cortinez Avenue near the Buenos Aires neighborhood.
Police counted 69 bullet holes, but no one was injured. A worker at the hotel told police that a vehicle drove up, several persons got out of the car and began firing on the hotel.
Police then responded to a call a block away at Pancho Villa Hotel on Elias Street, near the border. Again, gunmen fired several shots at the front of the hotel.
At 1:50 a.m. on Tuesday, the body of a man was discovered on Francisco R. Manzo Street in the Los Encinos neighborhood.
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No, I don’t cater to anybody; I moderate comments as I see them. That doesn’t mean I’m going to babysit the Web site night and day. I’m trying to trust readers to manage their discourse by themselves; but when conversation devolves into name-calling, I don’t want to read that nonsense and neither do other readers.
There’s a few options:
Option 1: Do nothing and let the site devolve 4chan-style.
Option 2: Extremely strict filter
Option 3: “crowdsource” moderation (ie Youtube’s system)
Option 4: Ground breaking, nobel prize winning AI program that fully comprehends the written word.
Option 5: Develop a strict set of rules for you all to abide by.
Until I come up with a system that is A) non-intrusive to readers and B) not a pain in the ass to me, I’m going to ask you all to bajarle un poco. It’s not much to ask.
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estas mal michel…yo en ningun momento los insulte…. calling YEYO a hypocrite was the truth and i backed it up with his words….i agree a veces nos pasamos but u singled me out…apoco my comments were worse than YEYO? perot ta bueno michel ur allowed to cater a kien se te la gana…its ur site….i put my real email pa cuando kieras platicar….
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I can accept critics of my formal life style. I lived a rough life. I don’t mean to push my stupidity. However, there is a reality. The reality is that there is some real bad shit going on in mexico. Michel reports on the goings on in mexico. And there are those of us that have an understanding of what is going on down there. Some people don’t like it. But that is the reality of the world we live in today. If anyone wants to talk blame me or anyone else for our comments, first look at the last 30 plus yrers of failed policy. In my expert oppinion, thats’s to blame for a lot of the problems. Then see what you as a person can do to stop the corruption in mexico. I could go on for days about what is wrong. But bashing me, yeyo or anyone else for some one elses bad decisions is ill. I’m sorry for upsetting you, Michel. I have never lied to you, I won’t start now. I am who I am. As far as I am concerned, you are the best reporter in the south west. Keep up the bad work, mike.
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LoL.
YEYO YOU CARE ABOUT ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING KILLED , RIGHT? WELL WHAT ABOUT THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHOSE LIFES ARE AFFECTED BECAUSE THEIR FAMILY MEMBER IS A DRUG ADDICT? YEYO YOU’RE A HYPOCRITE…..GET A LIFE AND A REAL JOB. GOD BLESS
1. I have a job and I am very proud of the fact that I dont engage in any type of criminal activity to make money and I am not a scumbag.
2.L nephew comes on here and either acts like a person that engages in illegal activity or is one.
3. Nobody forced your drug addict family member to take drugs in the first place but I do recognize that if the USA wouldnt be the number 1 comsumer of all the top 3 major drugs that mexico imports we wouldnt have this problem in the first place.
4. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that..But dont misconstrued what I say to L Nephew and accuse me of participating in illegal acts or say that I condone violence.
5.Just in case you where wondering YeYo is short for Serjio.
If your family member is a drug addict sorry to hear that I grew up in a household full of them and was surounded by them my hole life..I did participate in illegal ways of making a living in my younger years and did my time for both violent and non violent crimes that I committed..Since then I have tooken the time to educate myself and have earned a bachlors degree in Kinesiology and now work as a personal trainer..I am very intrigued by the storys on this site as well as other because I know and grew up with people that do engage in criminal activity both here and in Mexico..I am originaly from a rancho in the higher altitudes of Durango where if you dont grow you dont feed your family so I sympathize some peoples situation.
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“La Barbie” habría ordenado ejecutar a Cabañas
http://www.proceso.com.mx/rv/modHome/detalleExclusiva/76482
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You see, there is so many sides to everything. I too grew up around so many things that I wish I never saw or learned. However, this has nothing to do with todays world. I never forced anyone to use any drugs, as I never use drugs myself. I don’t even drink. Todays world is product of a broken system. If the proffits were not so high, a lot of the problems would slowly ease. Look, there is no easy answer now, Our government has a lot of changes to make to make things better. What they are doing right now isn’t working. I am sorry if your family has problems with drugs. But as Yeyo just said, the U.S. is a nation of consumers. What is the answer to that? I mean, why bash anyone without good answers. It’s easy to cricisise. Be part of the solution instead of the problem. As far as the people in Mexico go, how could you not sympathise with them. The marijuana growers in Mexico feed their families with that money. It isn’t worth much in Mexico. Like 5 a kilo to the growers. (sometimes less) So what do you do for them? There is a reality, and that reality isn’t good all the way around.
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The drug economy has grown so powerful that human lives are often a business expense, where torture and murder are ‘business tools.’ Drugs represent 20% of the American economy and over 60% of the Mexican economy, tying the hands of presidents, law enforcement, and politicians to payoffs and bank transactions of unprecedented scale. Who can dispute that when an entire nation depends on a profitable enterprise, legal or not, there will be no real effort to curb it? In “Down by the River” Bowden introduces policy makers and US operatives who know and accept this reality. The balance of blood lost in this clash of public policy and real life is monumental.
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How’s that for reality?!!!!!!!
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P.S.
I would like to go on record and apologize to L nephew for calling him out of his name twice, but his support to a specific criminal group ar any for that matter is disturbing to me..I appreciate the mantas and any other breaking news anybody can provide to this or any other site, but this comment was the one I was referring to when I made the mistake of calling him names.
los salazar are backed by el M……le kieren calentar el terreno al 2000….se la van a pelar….lazcano y el H ya dieron la order de mandarle refuerzos…..ay viene la mochomera del norte y zetas por el este….. el mayo no pudo con el isidro en guasave y en mazatlan el chaguin tiene la plaza al 1000…..los mayos sienten cercas la voladora….hasta en culiacan se le estan metiendo….y los antrax ni sus luces….hahahah….la empresa sigue al millon aunke el arturon ya no esta…..
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YEYO said: ” fook being a fan as long as there is money to be made I dont care” and then said: “I have a job and I am very proud of the fact that I dont engage in any type of criminal activity to make mone”…..hahaha…..wtf…kien te entiende have u lined ur pockets with drug money or not?
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Johnny, mi amigo. I know the story. I don’t talk about Sergio for a reason. I don’t like piece of shit fookers. I mean, we know the story. (you and I) I know Marcos is a power house. However, I know that Beltran are restructuring as we speak. If Chapo comes out on top, it is what it is. Chapo and Mayo are the big boys on the block now days. Let’s just hope things get back to normal soon where things are just business. I want to talk to you. 9 is coming soon. Keep an eye out. Keep your head up, Bro.
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hey Rabbit does 9 mean free nights on cell phone plan?
lol you know i had too, im just pulling your chain
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little rabbit said “I never forced anyone to use any drugs, as I never use drugs myslelf”….this is every drug dealers way of taking the blame off their shoulders…..compa no los forsastes but u helped make it accessible…..ur r just as guilty as the sicario that kills innocent people when a hit goes bad….thanks to all the innocent peoples deaths u get to relax in ur rancho….hahaha….so quit complaining about the violence cuz ur part of problem….no te des golpes de pecho….hahaha
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Hey drift, I’m broke these days. Us broke down ex narcos have to watch the bill. Lol!!!
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Captain America, I don’t have a whole to say to cowards. God bless.
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little rabbit “Let’s just hope things get back to normal soon where things are just business”…. loko…. this is the business… muertos siempre avido…..i don’t in what times u were a so-called narco but this sure has never been care-bear land…hahaha…. this is business and like in any business there will be always be collateral damage….
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I respect this site and you should, too. Come on, homeboy, chill!! Come up with good solutions. Don’t bash the rest of us speaking out. Believe it or not, some of us mean well.
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Capt America.. “fook being a fan as long as there is money to be made I dont care and you shouldnt either about who is the best or the badest”.
This is what I said to L Nephew and in now way does this mean that I engage in any criminal activity you can make of it watever your mind tells you to but the fact is that my days as a criminal are over.
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little rabbit said “Captain America, I don’t have a whole to say to cowards. God bless.”…..pa eso me gustabas….the truth hurts compa ,ke no? keep enjoying ur rabbits, horses, chickens, comfy couch…..a lot of innocent people paid with their blood for ur profiteering…hahaha…..
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Hey drift, there are a few regulars that can be a critic of me. I mean, you guys come up with a lot of good shit. I like to clown, too, bro. I just want to try not to be disrespectful. I’m real, Bro. Not trying to hurt anyone. This site gives me a chance to vent a life time of regret. Keep it coming, Dawg!! Sorry for offending any of you trolls out there.
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YEYO, He’s an idiot. You sound to me like you are doing it right. Don’t let some troll name changer get in your feelers. Keep up the good work, Brother!!
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Go to where you first met me at 9, Johnny.
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Michel, relax and let the group conscience take its course. The participants are mature on this site and wonderful things come out in the process. And Captain America does have his place and look at the awesome dialog that came from his comments. Rabbit, YeYo, all of us have been called worse by better. We all need to remember when we were green and thought all should see things “our” way. I am glad they didn’t.
I went to the hospital today to say good bye to my favorite and only aunt. She had a heart attach at 77 and they will pull the plug tomorrow. I ran into an attorney friend there in CICU and he told me that his client there was going through the same process with his son.
He said that the dying individual was traveling the highway and was pulled over by law inforcement. He ate the evidence as many of us can relate to back in the day (not today Captain as like YeYo, i went down twice and have been clean 21 years). They were going to pull the life support on him too. It is a very large general hospital but I noticed his father outside smoking. I stopped and talked with him. He couldn’t speak much English and me only just some Spanish but that has never stopped me. We shared our soon to be loss stories.
He told me he and his family were from Ojinaga. Remember, I am a 55 year old gringo that on first impression looks like a business professional. When I told him that I knew many of the old timers from OJ such as Shorty, Pablo, and Fermein, he smiled and we finished all the last names at the same time. All of them have been dead for more than 25 years so it was ok for him to say their names to a stranger. He did go on to say that El Chapo has control of that plaza there if there was any doubt.
There were 20 family members there and there loss seemed very great. Their brother was loved by all of them, it was easy to see this. Thoughts flew through my head all the way home and currently about how the “war on drugs” effect so many people. This was more than likely a family of second and third generation professional mules. Contrary to what most here in the US would think, hard working modest people. There brother was yet another victim of the war.
Observing this with the insight that most all of us have, brought home more intensely how much Mexico is suffering from these since-less cartel wars. The loss that families experience last a lifetime and can go into the next generation.
One more thing, I am not a Chapo hater, but man, please, leave the other cartels alone and let their plazas be. Give Mexico some peace.
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TRC.
Let me explain some things. I went to prison in the 80′s. I am 43 years old. I’m not hating on anyone or trying to control anything. I respect peoples oppinions. I have been clean nor a long time, too. But I know who and what I know. I can’t change that and wouldn’t even if I could. I do have, however, a lot of bones that rattle in my closet. I try to speak out for some kind of change in order for there to be peace. I mean, I don’t want to keep repeating myself, but some people only hear what they want to hear. I have been called every name in the book in my life, that don’t bother me. having my words construed does bother me. Captain America construed a lot today. And the personal attacks on people aren’t acceptable. Don’t draw first blood and expect not to be told where to go. I respect yor words, TRC, so I tried to explain myself. Sorry for your loss, Bro. By the way, someone has to comeout on top in Mexico to restore the balance. Since Amado Carillo died, it has been out of balance. Chapo has the backing of the government. It is what it is.
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geez…I leave for a day y el desmadre se arma…….captain leave rabbit alone……he’s in the burrero hall of fame for a reason…give him the respect he deserves…..y arriba la palma badiraguato….soon we will reclaim our throne…..QEPD el tio arturo….
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Lol!!!!!
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Hall of fame? You mean hall of shame!!! Don’t give me more respect than I deserve! LOL!!!
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eso es todo mi conejito..no se aguite….aki estoy con el capt ya le di su regañada al amár……hahahahahah…andava muy sentimental el puto hoy….hhahahaah
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Hahahahahahahahahaha!
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YEYO ta bueno wey apology accepted….u still have to earn ur spot back on my fav 5 (TMOBILE)….hahahahaha
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I wish I was a mule. Maybe they would have just deported me back to Mexico with the rest of the mules. Cuz my ass still hurts from the fookin they gave me. Hahaha.
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Rabbit…you were never suppose to admit “that.” lol
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I know, bro. The truth is a sour pill to swollow some times. Lol!
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See you bitches at 100…as in I will once again get the 100th comment!!!!!!!!!!!!
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5 to 1 I beat you to it Vinnie! Lol
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Have ya’ll read Calderon’s speach in the El Paso Times that he made in Juarez. What a weak joke! Basically he admits he has no idea what to do about the cartel wars. Wow, he has been in office since 2006 and he is just now figuring out that he is clueless? And that by keeping the military there to support El Chapo. he is taking the slow road to political suicide? Rather than moving the state capital there, maybe ‘he’ needs to move there himself. I bet he would figure out a resolution a little faster then. I wonder how many more confessions they will beat out of people until they convinse themselves that the public believes them that the Juarez Cartel killed those kids. I still believe it was the military because a cartel has to much intel and would not make such a mistake. It reeks of the Mexican military. I was very proud for the people of Juarez and the way they stood up to him. It was very powerful. It was a very good sign that the political winds are changing and he better wake up. Juarez, which is Calderon’s orphaned “little red headed step child,” may be the beginning of his unraveling. He has let those people burn in hell for too long and they rightfully hate him for this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G4sRb1xG2g
Living the gangster life at the beautiful Hotel Sahuaro. i really like the Herraduras restaurant…good food and very nice people If I’m headed to Caborca via Nogales I sometimes stop and meet a friend that makes beautiful dry pressed concrete tiles in Nogales for lunch.
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YeYo, you say the U.S. is the #1 consumer of drugs that Mexico imports. Isn’t that a no-brainer given the geography? Who else would they import to — Guatemala? And I’m not convinced that Americans use more illegal drugs than people from other industrialized nations. I’ve been all over Europe and in my personal opinion, cocaine and weed consumption seemed much more widespread.
Mexican government officials have been involved in trafficking narcotics into the United States since the U.S. starting outlawing them. Those in power in Mexico think they are above reproach, not to mention laws. I know many of you think U.S. drug policy is to blame for everything. O.K. fine. I’ve asked this question several times and still haven’t gotten a good answer: What will all of the cartel bosses, mules, soldiers, assassins, street dealers, etc do for a living if marijuana and/or cocaine is legalized here in the U.S? Will they suddenly start respecting the law and live clean, boring lives with a 9 – 5 job?
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tantos..they would resort to other ilicit actvities..but just look at history, the italian mafia was the most power during the years of prohibition. Of course when prohibition was reversed the italian mafia didnt disappear but there power greatly dimished over time as their biggest money maker disappeared. What will the mexican cartels do if drugs were legalized? Of course in the short term, you would have more kidnappings, extortions, bank roberries etc. But in the long run, i’m pretty sure their power would dimished, being the billions of dollars earned from the drug trade will no longer be coming in, which gives them the power that they have. but this is just my stupid theory who knows, maybe the government will keep being corrupt for free? rofl.
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Otro pendejo con sus cuentos chinos. Tantos when you were in Europe did you take a survey to check and see if drug use in all of Europe has a higher rate of drug consumption than the US? No right. So you want people to believe you went to Europe looked at some people and that is enough for you to say that Europe has a bigger drug problem than the US? You sure you didn’t view things the way you wanted to to fit your own personal beliefs?
All of Europe is 600 million people, the US is 300 million. All together Europe might have a larger population of drug users, but that does not mean that they have a higher per capita drug use than the US. Im sure I can go to terrible areas Europe and find walking zombies all doped up, like I do when I go to downtown LA or when I go on my cross country road trips and everywhere I turn a find some tweaked out rednecks trying to prostitude their wives or girlfriends for drugs and motel rent. I don’t know what wonder land you live in Tantos but in every city I go to in this fine country I can fine doped up drug addicts no problem. Maybe I should start hanging out with a different crowd?
Look Tantos if you want to have a serious compare and contrast than bring up some numbers. I’m sure their are people that study these things. This is what you said “I was there for awhile and this is what I wanted to see”. Come up with some numbers and then we will argue about this respecfully. What you said is just like those el compa me dijo stories, with you being the compa.
As to your question of what will happen if the drug war stops, what will happen to all those “cartel bosses, mules, soldiers, assassins, street dealers, etc”. Mules I think will go quit and find something legitimate and move on, mules are not the ones cutting off heads and getting into shootouts, your kids if you have any could be mules. Cartel bosses will probably be captured with the quickness because they will not have the money it takes run and bribe all the men they do. Sicarios will also be caught quick for the reason that the boss could not offer them protection from the authorities.
Sure some will hold out and and get into extortion and kidnapping like many are doing now, but a lot of those people that are doing those things are still protected by drug lords that they work with. With out the protection drug money buys there they would not las long.
“Mexican government officials have been involved in trafficking narcotics into the United States since the U.S. starting outlawing them”
Yeah and a lot of those Mexican government officials are very friendly with their American counterparts. The Bush family is in deep with a lot of the those government officials in Mexico and CIA love to smuggle drugs too or do really think that Nicaragua is an isolated incident. Tantos no offense but you seem like naive kid that believes that story about George Washington and the cherry tree. The rules don’t apply to the people that make them. It never has and it never will. Not in the US or any other country that ever existed.
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Tantos-
What will they do? How does Mexico survive now?…they’d make that stuff cheaper, they do make stuff cheaper. Leaglize it for all they care, they’ll have more business than before, selling stuff cheaper (because it won’t be taxed) the quality won’t be as good, but they’ll be selling more of it.
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rabbit 9 ?
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rabbit 9 ?………..
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Hey, johnny, not going to take up too much of your time this morning. I talk to a lot of people these days. What I have to say a lot of people don’t want to here, because in my view of things the system that they are using doesn’t work. I read a lot of comments from people that are just argumentative. The one thing that is undispetuniable is that the U.S. is a nation of consumers. Cocain, for instance, is cheaper in the U.S. than in europe. Basically, max cost or a key say in florida right now is 32 grand. Cost for a kilo in Austalia is 100 grand. In uerope 80 to 100 grand, depending where you are at. A few of the commentors that are on here regulars are almost completely ignored because they are so ignorant and argumetative. Any idiot that tries to say that there is no facts that support more drug consumption than in the rest of the world, per capita, is stupid as hell. In other parts of the world, to be a recreatioal user of coke, you have to be able to afford it. It is a rich mans drug almost everywhere other than the americas. It was the same way, pre 1980′s, before iran contra and Freeway Ricky Ross. Once the goverment backed narco traffikers started using proffits for covert opperations, coke became cheap and that started the crack cocain epidemic in the 80′s. However, every government backed trafficer that ever existed, when his usefulness ran out, so did his life. (Or lucked up). Ask noriega what happened when Goerge Bush and company were done with him. Anyway, pal, this site isn’t the place for you and I to communicate. I don’t live in az anymore. I rarely come out there anymore. Too much heat. Out of respect for this site I can’t give you a way to contact me. Even though I would love to talk to you, I don’t know how to make it happen. I’ll be around, though, and we can always keep in touch by good comments. Take care.
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I wonder what would happen if good policy would ever come into play. Would the prices drop and the huge proffits drop out of the drug game if it were decrimialised? If the huge proffits were gone would the huge proffits the chaos in mexico slow down? Who fooken knows. Maybe this isn’t the answer. But is having over a million people locked in prison for drug offenses the answer? Is pumping billions of dolars into the court system every year productive? Is putting drug lords on the forbes list of billionares the answer? What will stop all of the senseless murders in Mexico? Something needs to change. It would be nice to see good disgussion on what people think might bring change. What I’ve seen so far is mostly retoric. But what do I know, I’m just doper scum.
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Tontos, it is a given due too our geographical location, in my own opinion blaming the cartel bosses, mules, soldiers, assassins, street dealers, is like blaming McDonalds or any other fast food chain for childhood obesity or artherosclerosis. Or Anheuser Busch for alcholism..What I am trying to say is that we as Americans should take more responsibility for our actions and recognize that our consumtion feeds the violence that we all see on the news on a daily basis.Europe may or may not be the biggest consumer in the world but the money Mexican cartel bosses make from their Europe endevours is minimal compared to American money..Morocco and other parts of Africa are the #1 producers of Marijuana that is imported to Europe so that in its self already leaves a big void as far as money making goes for your typical Mexican drug lord..Its the American way we are quick to get into everybody elses buisness but fail to take care of our own at home.
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what effect has there been on , arrests, prison populations, and tourism in mexico since they decriminalized small quantities of drugs, last summer?
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YUP WE AMERICANS ARE TO BLAME B.S.
But new numbers quoted by a high-ranking Mexican law enforcement official challenge the pundits. Testifying before the Mexican Congress last week, Public Security Secretary Genaro Garcia Luna noted a significant increase in drug consumption in Mexico during the last decade, especially in terms of cocaine and methamphetamine use.
According to Garcia, methamphetamine use quadrupled in a ten-year period, while cocaine consumption tripled just in the two-year period from 2006 to 2008. Charged with overseeing much of the drug war, Garcia called drug abuse a “very important issue” that must be tackled in Mexico.
A 2009 United Nations report estimated 1.7 million Mexicans, or about 2.4 percent of the population, use cocaine. In comparison with the US, where an estimated 88 tons of cocaine are consumed annually, Mexico, with about one-third of the population as its northern neighbor, consumes an estimated 27.65 tons of the drug every year. If the UN’s numbers are fairly accurate, Mexico is rapidly catching up to the US as a leading consumer of cocaine.
In other annual indices of hard drug use, Mexicans reportedly consume 3.9 tons of heroin and 4.2 tons of amphetamines and Ecstasy. At the same time, more than three million Mexicans, or about 4.2 percent of the population, are users of marijuana.
Garcia’s warnings on growing domestic drug consumption are not new. For example, a 2007 study by the Secretariat of Public Education and the Juan Ramon de la Fuente National Institute of Psychiatry reported that drug abuse among groups of middle and high school students in certain Mexican cities was proportionally higher than in other sectors of the population.
A better understanding of contemporary narco-violence should consider how surges in domestic Mexican drug consumption coincide with the spread of bloodshed from traditional border and rural hotspots to cities and towns across the country.
Drug-related violence picked up during the administration of former President Vicente Fox, and then intensified after Felipe Calderon took office in late 2006. Generally young, many of the thousands of people slaughtered since December 2006 were addicts, small-time dealers or others involved in the lower-end of the drug business.
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Paul nothing any follower of the narco wars didnt alreat know..But good stuff…Yes Mexicans consume coke and other drugs but the price of a gram of cocaine in Mexico is 5 and in some cases 10 times cheaper than that in the USA..I am not laying the blame soley on the shoulders of the American people what I do know is that the real money comes from us the American people..Drugs are a problem here and in Mexico and yes consumption has increased in Mexico and it should be adressed..But why do you think that a large majority of the violence occurs in the border cities of Mexico?? Its not cause of the consumption going on in Juarez or Tijuana its because of they are entry points to the real catalyst to drug violence and that is the AMERICAN DOLLAR!!!
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Paul, that was a really good comment. But Yeyo is right. South America, Mexico, the U.S., all are large consumers of drugs, booze and tobacco. But the thing that fuels the mexican economy is the narco dolar coming from the great USA. The cartels are fight for control of what? The drug routs into the U.S. Failed policy on this side of the border have driven the proffits so high that drug lords are wealthy beyond most peoples comprehension. If there were not such high proffits, things would not be the way they are. That’s the reality of the situation. Its real ugly.
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A good while back the Mexican Government confiscated 215,000,000 in currency. Actually, there has been several of them. There are plenty of photographs and it is broken down to denominations of US, Brittish, Mexican etc. Trust me, it was almost all US. Its an easy search, look for yourself. I do not want to get into a phylosophical and statistical arguement that this is only a cross section or one window and does not support blah, blah, blah. I follow this site because there is very poor mainstream info on what is going on in Mexico. I find the site and its participants very helpful with my interests. I do also understand that money from a European market could come back through cental america, but ultimately wouldn’t most of it make it back to Mexico.
One more thing that was not mentioned in earlier discussion, Europe has a huge base of heroin addicts due to geography and a very long history of its use. When observing abuse and addiction in different areas, a trained eye in the US might not be so trained there. Many people stationed there in the military have told me that in the 60s and 70s, there was as much heroin there as there was in Vietnam.
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I saw 2 mil this weekend in cananea.
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drug lords arnt wealthy beyonds peoples comp.
they give the apearance.
sheeple follow the lead. u know that rodent
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at any moment a drug lord may come up w 1-5-20md
what people dont realize is one moment later he may have 0 /zeta /nada
100 killers-5 killers
that is the juego conehito is pretending to suck the morons into
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rabbit aint no tool mf
hes a hero to losers every where
all the patholigicaly impared game players
now have a templete of hommey success
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Lets see some pics of 2000..I never heard of him till I sarted reading on this site and seems like a big figure that moves in silence..
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100 Vincent Hanna…lol.. I forgot to mention that in my prior post..Arriba yo chihuahuao!!!!
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el dos was chased out of canapas this weekend and he had over 50 killers w him!!!!
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YeYo, consider yourself a dead man walking.
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Dos mil is a hunted man. He’ll get his, eventually.
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I love it when I bring the haters out. Lol!
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I got one fooking question…….. Don’t any of you have wives?!?!?! I just finished my business and there was a lot of talk goiong on between you guys!!! Vinnie you owe me when I head out there! Lmao
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Power corrupts, does it not? That is not only why our system of government with separation of powers (executive, judicial, legislative) is not only superior, but necessary to combat corruption. Mexico is NOT a democracy, it only pretends to be. Mexican goverment corruption will always be worse than the U.S. because there isn’t a balance of power. There is nothing to hold powerful people in check. There is no government representation of the Mexican working class. They either work their asses off for peanuts knowing their children will have the same fate, OR, they can immigrate illegally to the U.S. where there is hope for their children, OR they can get involved in crime. Great options, right?
Maybe if the Mexican elite wouldn’t be so Goddamned greedy there would be more options for the Mexican working poor. Chasing the U.S. dope fiend’s dollar shouldn’t be one of the best options for a dirt poor paisano to make good money.
YeYo, I get it. We are the “Haves” and the “Have Nots” are south of the border. Americans have discretionary money to spend. I like your analogy, but here is one for you: Is Bill Gates to blame for software piracy because he copyrights his software? If only he didn’t get his software copyrighted by law, there wouldn’t be so many criminals pirating it and profiting from their criminal activities.
Move, I finally figured out what your problem is on this site. You are smart, make good points, and have insight that most of us don’t have. But you feel the need to constantly prove that you are the smartest person in the room. It’s annoying, in an arrogant, condescending way. Kinda like Hillary Clinton. You could say that I’m “idealistic,” instead of “naive” for instance. I do appreciate your predictions of what MIGHT happen to the Mexican Cartels, but those aren’t any more reliable than my observations in Europe.
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“rofl:” The Italian American Mafia by most accounts was more powerful in the 60′s and 70′s than they were during prohibition. Yes, repeal of prohibition hit them hard, but they rebounded very well. It helped that the feds backed off during WWII because the guidos promised to support the U.S. war effort against Italy. RICO is what eventually destroyed the mob, not the repeal of prohibition.
Viincent Hanna’s prediction of the U.S. legalizing drugs is backed up by the history of the Italian American mafia. Bootlegging of untaxed liquor and cigarettes replaced the income lost by prohibition. Not to mention outright thievery, and Vegas, etc…..
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I wonder how many times one guy can change his name on here writing ignorance. Pathetic.
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Ok so you mentioned Hillary Clinton because she makes you feel inferior. So you are a classic “Conservative” because your kind can’t help but talk shit about her. Not that I’m a fan of her either but how the hell did she get into this conversation?
“Move, I finally figured out what your problem is on this site. You are smart, make good points, and have insight that most of us don’t have. But you feel the need to constantly prove that you are the smartest person in the room. It’s annoying, in an arrogant, condescending way. Kinda like Hillary Clinton. You could say that I’m “idealistic,” instead of “naive” for instance.”
No you are naive because you make yourself believe lies ok. The United States is a corrupt country. It’s powerful and successful but still corrupt , American people like you make themselves pretend it’s not going on. Lobbyist is sanctioned corruption and neither democrats or republicans stop them from compromising congressman and senators. Americans don’t call it bribes, no they bullshit themselves and call it lobbying.
When the Bush government was in place and all that money that used for reconstruction of Iraq disappeared did they actively pursue contractors?No. The only difference with democrats is that they get give “Organizations” bribes to support them, republicans do that too but dems are more known for it. When Obama got elected a lot of organizations got money from him for their support. Yet Americans don’t call it bribing people for their support or votes, they call it being involved.
Ideally the people elected to congress or senate vote on a bill by reading it thoroughly and trying to represent the people that voted for them. That doesn’t happen, some people work on bills that are a thousands of pages long and only have a day to vote on them. And you can tell how they are going to vote for them just by knowing what party they repressent. How the hell is that not complete corruption? People are voting on things they have not read or even comprehend just so they can look good for their particular party. Why because they want to advance their political careers.
Mexico is not a democracy? Guess what the Founding Fathers did not want the US to be a democracy either. This is what the founding fathers had to say on Democracies.
“. . . [D]emocracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would at the same time be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.”
The Federalist Papers. Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay
See you have been lied to all your life and refuse to face reality. The people that founded this country placed restrictions on who can vote. You had to be a white male that owned land. If you were a white male and from the US,but didn’t have a dime to your name you could not vote. Why? Because they knew any smooth talking mofo could sweat talk the masses into voting for their dumbass.
This is what makes you naive. If you were idealistic you would face reality and stand up to for your beliefs. But you don’t do that, you lie to yourself or deliberately hold information from yourself to feel good. For some sick reason it would make you feel good if Europe had a bigger drug problem than the US. It will get you on your high horse while you talk shit about others.
“I do appreciate your predictions of what MIGHT happen to the Mexican Cartels, but those aren’t any more reliable than my observations in Europe.”
Yeah but unlike you I actually admit these are my opinions, I don’t do what you do and try to pass opinions of as fact.
Now the shooting ended when prohibition ended. Yes the Mafia got in labor unions and casinos but they were not getting into shootouts like they did in the1920s. The Mafia pretty much became corrupt business men that did the occasional hit on their own people that fell out of line. In 1920s they were openly fighting for turf in the streets. Tommy guns blazing all over the place, the Mob did not do that when they were running casinos.
Lastly I don’t feel the need to prove that I’m the smartest person in the room. I just know you are wrong and and Im going to tell you why.
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I don’t really wonder what all the street dealers, mules, hitmen, narco bosses would do if the drug war ended. I do, however, wonder what all the cops, lawyers, judges, clerks would do if it ended. I can always tell when some one affiliated with law enforcement leave comments. They are really argumentative, but they don’t ever really do anything but promote policy that has failed. I guess that’s the way to insure that they stay employed using tax money to do something that they can’t afford to win.
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Tantos, no Bill Gate should not be held responsible for piracy which only hilights my point in my opinion..Its easy to blame the big guy when things go wrong but in reality the peoplo who are to blame are us the people who buy pirated material..I have to admit I take a stroll threw the flea market every now and then and pick up some movies or some corrido mp3 disc..lol.This country is coruptone one example is the way special intrest lobbyist are able to manipulate our senators and ignore our own rights. I raise game fowl as a hobby or (fighting daisys) and the goverment has repeadetly sat here and ignored our pleas to stop taking side with special intrest groups such as HSUS and their money and give us back our inalienable rights to harvest our crops and use them for the purpose that they are bred for..This country places a chicken above a human life..Proof of this is the raids conducted on fighting pits all across America the fact that we use our tax payers dollars to go after people fighting chickens when we lead the world as the number one consumer of poultry is just baffling to me.I can no longer fight my birds legally and can not afford to catch a felony for a chicken but I still keep a few in hopes that somehow this will turn around..Its disgusting what money can do to people that we elect with a little push from a group of people that will not rest unitl they have us all eating lettuce..Move good stuff bro very impressed by some of the FACTS you stated..Rabitt yeah I get that stench of bacon with some of these comments on here as well but we all know that like drug dealers, cops do the same thing they come up with mind blocks to justify their profesion because otherwise they would feel useless..I not not saying f the police or nothing we need them, but some seem to develope tunel vision because they are so passionate about what they do.
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Yeyo,
I am nocking cops. Cops are necessary, just like prisons are necessary. What I’m saying is, locking up a half million + non violent marijuana offenders every year is insane. I am also saying that if there were not a drug was, a lot of narcotics cops, lawyers, judges, clercks, so on, that would be out of work. It is easy to have tunnel vision when your job is on the line. But failed policy is failed policy. Our justice system is flawed as hell. Narcs are dirty. It’s all dirty as hell. But you are absolutely correct. Your comments uplift me. Thanks.
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What that last comment should have read was, I am not knocking cops. Cops are necessary, just like prisons are necessary. I am saying that if there was not a drug war, a lot of narcs, lawyers, judges, clerks, and so on and so forth, that would be out of a job. It is easy to have tunnel vision when your job is on the line. But failed policy is failed policy. Our justice system is flawed as hell. Narcs are dirty, the game is dirty. But I do appreciate your comments, Yeyo, they uplift me. Thank you! I typed the last one from my I phone in the car. I am in my office now. Much easier.
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Move, I’m not sure how you construed this as me saying this is a “fact”:
“And I’m not convinced that Americans use more illegal drugs than people from other industrialized nations. I’ve been all over Europe and in my personal opinion, cocaine and weed consumption seemed much more widespread.”
I guess you missed the part about “my personal opinion” and “seemed.” I’m a union guy. The so-called “conservative” Republicans are anti union. I’m also pro law enforcement. Liberal Democrats tend to not be very supportive of the police. I guess that leaves me without a party.
Anyone who has met Hillary Clinton has said she is extremely bright and capable. It’s her smugness that bothers people. Move, you are at your best when you share good info backed up by fact, instead of personal attacks. And how come no one has accused you of being cop? Some of your insight and perspective indicate involvement in collecting intel for law enforcement purposes. By the way, you are not accurate regarding the history of violence in the Italian-American mafia. In Chicago for instance, the “tommy gun” battles in the street ended after Al Capone consolidated power, not because Prohibition ended.
Yes, the U.S. was founded as a Republic, technically not a democracy. So what? Why does Mexico get a free pass in all of this from several of you. Ask the poor huachos if the rule of law applies to them in Mexico. None of you place any blame on Mexico. I think many of you are unbelievably naive to think what would happen if the US drug policy were to be drastically changed. If you want to put complete blame on U.S. drug policy, fine. I will support your effort to change public policy. Do you have any idea how to do that?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA COMO LO DICE EL CORRIDO…. JOAQUIN LOERA LO ES Y SERA, NO SEA PENDEJO MI COMPA, BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH.
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Don’t want to create any controversy, but I have read some really good comments from people I normally ignore. The truth is, it would be really nice to see people comment on what they think might work for good policy change, instead of any of us fighting over policy that has already failed. Just so you know, I am not pro law enforcement, but I do think laws and enforcing them is neccessary. What will work that might change the face of this country and Mexico? That’s the question.
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There is practically no way to change Drug Policy that will work for everybody because there will always be nay sayers as and those that think they can tell us how live our lifes.As well as those that even with a so called solution will still find a way to break the laws.Mexico should and has taken blame for the effect they have had on this world hence their so called war on drugs.. What I find disturbing is the politicians seem to provide protection for some of these criminal groups and the general public all knows this all at the same time a so called war is being waged..Its a messy subject both here and in Mexico but I will let the so called experts figure the policys out beacause some of my views might be to radical for the general public to understand..But even I think legalazation would be the birth of a hole nother breed of criminal both here and Mexico.Lets look at what certain criminal groups have done to the avocado producers of Michoacan it almost seems that when money dries up they do revert to other means of income..So in my opinion its tuff to say wether or not their is a way to stop this..I guess we can start with educating our children at home about the effects drugs have on society in hopes that they will carry this info on for generations to come but for now there is no imediate solution..And the American dollars is still king.
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I agree. The whole thing sucks. I payed for my crimes, maybe I should lick my wounds and build a bridge and get over it. Good comments, Dude. You got my respect.
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Hey, Ricardo, does El Chapo know that you you threaten people using his name online? Dude, come on, have some sense. If you were about anything, you would never do that!! If I was coming to get you, I would never tell you I’m coming.
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Drug policy change is not going to occur through diplomacy. It must happen from desperation and radical thinking or after many other problems are resolved. There are way to many barriers to overcome therefore it is much easier for legislators to talk about education, drop out rates, and health care reform instead of drug policy or even worse, a failing economy. Have you noticed that they are still throwing abortion up as a point in their elections. I guess they all did a paper on this in college therefore they can talk on this subject. These guys don’t have the balls to come up with radical ideas for change. What would their mothers think?
Heroin is too addictive therefore you cannot legalize it. Meth is horrible for you and does irreversible damage (meth mouth, liver disease heart disease,psychosis). Cocaine, we have watched it devastate a generation, gotta vote no there too. Legalization will not happen, decriminalize, maybe but that is a long way off.
Decriminalization is another battle. Then you challenge the livelihood of lawyers, judges, federal, state, and local employees, prison employees, parole officers, probation officers, county jails, and on and on. And of course, the churches have there say. What a platform this would be, “I want to decriminalize drugs but don’t worry all the above professions and entities are safe and job secure.”
Prisons are for criminals who commit murder, rape, child molesting, and robbery. We know this, but it is also for the repeat offenders that do not learn from earlier mistakes. Between Texas, Florida, New York, California and Illinois, there is a million inmates. We all know we can’t afford this but what politician has the balls to address this career ending topic? Last I heard it was required that politicians could not have balls anyway.
I do think a system would work with court ordered treatment for drug and drug related offenses on first and second offense, Then graduated sanctions from then on with 1 and 2 year state jail sentences. After this, all that is left is graduated habitual laws.
We are in a war that they are trying to extend because there is no jobs for the military to return to. A common effect of a previous republican party rule. Their philosophy is if you want to get re-elected start a war. There will be a lot of returning soldiers well trained in law enforcement and not that many jobs to be had. And if we decriminalize drugs, we open door to prisons when we have again, no jobs. Oil and water don’t mix. Who sinks? That is a no brainier. Historically, inmates stay in jails longer during poor economies and are released fasted when there is an abundance of jobs.
I really do believe that any policy change will not occur until we have a much improved economy. I would love to see us return to one of the most powerful producing nations in the world. Do y’all remember when Made in USA meant it was the best product in the world. I do and we lost this. When America learns how to produce again, we will need a work force. Then we might see radical change.
Just my opinion.
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anyone know how the mexican cops are dealing with the new decriminalized drug laws.. especially where it concerns americans?,Any of you been busted lately, drunk driving on your way to p. penasco? How is this effecting the mexican prison populations,
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gnome..don’t get caught with a joint, because you’ll get your ass kicked and thrown in jail rofl…
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A damnn good oppinion, though.
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i bet rabbit had alot of respect at the cheese factory on black canyon
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That’s funny. Is there a cheese factory? The only way you would know is because you were there yourself. Lol!
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You talk a lot of cowardly smack, Carlos. I’ll bet you were some ones prison punk, that’s why you post these lame comments.
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Here’s a question that may have a simple answer… why is all of the violence in Nogales? My first impression would be because I-19. But is this the only reason? I saw Rabbit mention elsewhere that some things have been going on in Agua Prieta but it’s never reported on this side of the border. Are the same characters in Nogales roaming the streets of AP? I get some info from a few local LE and CBP people around Douglas but it seems they don’t know much or don’t want to discuss it. Just curious.
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Easy answer for you. They don’t have the same problems in AP that are going on in Nogy. Dos mil knows better than to step into the Paredes’ teritory. However, Dos Mil has made a move on this area along with many others. (Enrique Para, god rest his soul). But you are correct, no one reports on a lot of stuff in AP. I think that because most of it is typical. Nogales is split right down the middle. I think whoever is strongest will have most control of this area before too long. (El Chapo). We’ll see how ot goes.
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http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/son-of-top-drug-310356.html Mayo Zambada’s Son extradited.
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saben ustedes quien manda en zacatecas..??
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tambien of the beef of la familia salazar contra los numeros y los beltranes de navojoa ,sonora ??
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This makes me wonder if the US will try to use Vicente for leverage against El Mayo to negotiate peace. Their favorite trick is to threaten life sentences in super maximun security prisons that have total isolation with no contact and no communication with anyone. It is where they put John Gotti and many of the terrorists and they also say it is enough to make ‘anyone’ talk. They have 2 more in the works but right now, it is outside Pueblo, Colorado. I have seen it and it is quiet erie. You disappear for life or until they get what they want.
This extradition happened too fast. Something is for sure in the works! This does smell like CIA/FBI strategy. Do you think Vicente Carillo Leyva is next? I do! How about those apples for cease fire negotiation cards?
Peace could be coming sooner than we ever imagined.
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This could be enough to force El Mayo to give up El Chapo’s PO Box but I have never heard of him doing anything like that. Fearing the diappearance of a favorite son for ever could make a man do about anything. I suspect he is calling in every favor owed him. He will not be sleeping well tonight.
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The Mexican newspapers state that he was locked up in jail in Tamaulipas since he was captured, maybe Mayo knew he would be safer in the U.S, Tamaulipas is the main rival’s home turf, did u see his pictures, he lost a lot of weight, i guess he didn’t trust the cooks.
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yeah rabbit well we both know the enriquez parra raul y daniel are gone and the los numeros basically weakened after there killings thats exactly right dos mil knows better than to touch ground on the Mighty Powerhouse Paredes Machados turf and ur right totally different things happening in nogy than ap but in the end of this Chapo will be on top exactly nogy is split chapo vs. beltran leyvya bros. ie dos mil. and guero the salazar zamorano lead by don adan salazar zamorano and the numeros have been battling the plazas in navojoa for years but like i said after the killings of there leader raul enriquez parra inm 05 and brother daniel theyve weakened signifantly other bro wilfrido is still out there somewhere
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whats ur real name rabbit..might as well drop the name…stop giving clues..at least just ur last name..dont be scared now ex Big boy..lol..joton
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Listen, I willl eventually tell you who I am. I have my reasons. Some people already know. johnny, I know you are right. I always know the real ones. Their facts and names are too good to not be real. Some day you and I will talk.
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All of you have to realise, I have been under a microscope for most of my life. I am enjoying the peace and quiet away from the desert southwest.
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We think ur a con coneha.
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You are right, I’m a fruad. I don’t know shit. Don’t know anyone. I just enjoy bullshitting people.
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man r u crazy chapo is the best i hope i can meet dis guy he’s a guy i look up too
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Pobre vatos
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