So? Who Did It?
Feb 3rd, 2010 | By Michel Marizco | Category: Chismes, General News, Organized Crime
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THE BORDER REPORT
Maybe. And, being Mexico, maybe not. The interview looks clean, blaming El Viceroy, Vicente Carrillo Fuentes for the massacre of 16 youth in Juárez last Saturday.
As many of you already noticed, this transciption from juarezpress.com lays the blame solely at the feet of Joaquín Chapo Guzmán. And, as many of you have also noticed, it just seems too simple.
José Dolores Arroyo Chavarría says he was under orders from “El Diego” or “El 10″ to run security for the hit crew when the Mexican Army happened on him. I initially found it odd that Arroyo and his companion, El 12, only carried one gun between the two of them but seeing as I don’t have crews of armed lookouts working for me, I can acquiesce the point and say, sure, it’s completely possible. Members of the hitcrew were killed in the days following the 16 murders, including 12. (He apparently still had time to kill yet another four people in a Juárez nightclub, Monday night.)
This is where it gets odd. Look at Arroyo’s testimony. 12 and he were in place as lookouts, then were going to go kill another Sinaloan gangmember:
¿Quién lo iba a ejecutar?
El “12”, señor.
¿Con quién iba el “12”?
Conmigo.
¿En qué iban?
By late Tuesday night, 12 was already being painted as the mastermind of the killing. Makes no sense. One version or the other is true, not both.
The family’s were interviewed by Radio Formula and, predictably, expressed outrage at Arroyo’s declaration that their children may be hitmen for the Sinaloa syndicates.
Meanwhile, the Army bears some observation in all this if for no other reason than that, as usual, they cannot be ignored.
LaPolaka’s Web site has crashed (hopefully from a heavy flow of traffic and not from … intervention) but yesterday, they had a speculative short story that a reader was smart enough to cut and paste before it went away.
CIUDAD JUAREZ – Personal de la Unidad Especializada en la Escena del Crimen arribó a la guarnición militar ubicada en la calle Barranco Azul, donde permaneció por lo menos media hora. La llegada del Servicio Médico Forense (Semefo) se dio minutos más tarde, tras la salida de los agentes ministeriales que tambien permanecieron un tiempo prolongado. Hasta el momento, las autoridades gubernamentales han omitido realizar declaraciones respecto a la aparición de los Semefo y Ministeriales en el cuartel militar. No hay información oficial respecto al misterioso operativo y se especula que puede haber varios muertos.
In short, criminal investigators and a medical forensic team arrived at the military base along with state police for about a half hour a day after the murders. Nobody’s saying what was said or what was done behind the walls of the base but LaPolaka clearly wondered why a homicide investigation team was talking to the Army.
This morning, the National Human Rights Commission put out a press release lamenting the massacre and paying lip service to their “solidarity” with the victims’ families. The press bulletin alone is interesting. When those brutal murders were carried out in the rehab clinics last year, the commission said nothing. When a group of people, including a mayor’s infant, were murdered in southern Chihuahua last summer, nothing. When the grenades were launched in Morelia last year, nothing. Now, they’re clamoring, and taking the interesting philosophical stance of saying that the only way to avoid letting violence become a part of the Mexican people’s hereditary code is to denounce that violence to the authorities.
Except, if LaPolaka is to believed, and I’ve never doubted them on anything that I can remember, someone’s been asking the authorities some questions about these murders.
For my part, I hope the commission keeps up the pressure. I doubt Arroyo was innocent, but only a fool believes the case will – or should – end with him.
Gracia Michel. Good to see this blog is still up and working.
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I just read that el “12″ was killed in a gun battle with the army in Juarez.
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…and according to that guy they caught it was a neighbor of the people who were having the party that called them to tell them about it.. that sucks!
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they it was the military the responsible for that massacre, they were going to smoke some guys from la linea, but they got the wrong people, (or a wrong tip), i feel sorry for the guy they are blaming this shit on, la procu patty fashion is famous in juarez becasue she can pin hundreds of murders to one guy or two.
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Michel, I refuse to accept that Juarez is responsible for this. Meaning; Vicente Carillo. Looks too much like a set up. Most of the Carillo’s violence is related purely to turf. This isn’t business, this is pure masacre. I mean, ryme or reason isn’t transparent. Mexico isn’t the place it used to be, nor is it safe these days. But when it doesn’t make sense, there is set-up written all over it. Think everyone should wait for a while til more good information presents itself before the blame game starts. This is dirty. You ever hear of P.R.S. (Problem, Reaction, Solution) Create a problem, React to it, then present a Solution. I have used this formula myself , when it suited me. Believe, Mexico is playing dirty right now, just like the case of the killed sailors family. Senseless violence. All aimed at creating discontent towards one person or another. Or organisation. Sickening.
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Good see your still around, I was starting to get worried about you. Why the long pause? There can’t be a shortage of news, Love your site, hope to see more.
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Good stuff as always Michael..
Wow I am just starting to belive that the military are the ones that got this all fooked up..And Rabbit is right on the PRS thing but 16 students??? Nothing gets more attention than innocent people so who are they trying to make look bad the Carillo or the Chapo people..Or was this some bad intel and they acted on it like illegal said…This is a shitty cover up if it is one I just hope the mexican people can see it that way…
BTW Has anybody else heard rumors concerning Chapos health and cancer??? This is gonna sound like the old “un compa me dijo” or the new “the hitchhiker we picked up told us” but I have familiy here that just arrived. The rumor in the higher altitudes of the state of Durango is that the guy might not get caught and he could fall to natural causes..Maybe some of the Chapo fans can shed some light on this or might just be some rancho chisme..lol
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i think that came out on a newspaper last year, supposedly chapo underwent surgery because he had cancer on the prostate.
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http://www.elagoradechihuahua.com/Caen-10-sicarios-de-El-Chapo,21900.html they capture one “liniero” and they acuse him of comiting a massacre, yet they capture 10 chapos armed to the teeth and they acuse them of comiting some crimes.
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I guess its ok to kill them in intervals than all together.. that way they don’t pay attention to you..
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http://www.elagoradechihuahua.com/Levantan-a-cuatro-involucrados-en,21913.html now that’s too fooking much, poor people.
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Either the police/military is too ignorant to expect and prepare for a return operation to remove witnesses…Or it IS the police and/or military carrying out this operation.
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Vinotinto, the last part on this article will answer that question..La venganza y la continuación de las operaciones de limpieza que lleva a delante la banda de Los Aztecas en Ciudad Juárez en las calles en contra de narcomenudistas del cartel de Sinaloa, son, para la autoridad, las principales o únicas líneas para explicar lo ocurrido.
Por supuesto, la ciudadanía juarense, los medios de comunicación locales y los organismos defensores de los derechos humanos de ese punto fronterizo, no creen una sola palabra, una sola línea de los argumentado por la procuraduría estatal.
Las versiones ofrecidas por voceros del Operativo Conjunto Chihuahua en las que se detallan la estructura y operación de las principales bandas criminales que han sembrado el terror en Juárez, presentan demasiadas certezas en cuanto al por qué de la acción brutal de Los Aztecas, sin aclarar quiénes de las víctimas estaban vinculadas al crimen organizado.
Este hecho es el que ha enardecido a los familiares de los jovencitos ejecutados, porque si bien la respuesta de las autoridades fue rápida (solo en cuanto a la persecución casual de dos de los presuntos asesinos), presentando a un halcón y anunciado la muerte de Adrián Ramírez, El Rama o El 12, supuesto jefe de Los Aztecas, lo cierto es que la explicación de los hechos coloca a las víctimas como delincuentes o colaboradores, es decir, como sujetos de ese tipo de acciones.
En consecuencia, la forma en que murieron los 16 jovencitos y jovencitas podría considerarse, desde la perspectiva de la autoridad, como un hecho dentro de lo común para quienes se vinculan con el crimen organizado.
Esta sola hipótesis, que ninguna dependencia ha podido ni remotamente confirmar, no sólo criminaliza a las víctimas sino que además exhibe la profunda insensibilidad de las autoridades en un contexto de explosividad social como la que se ha generado en Ciudad Juárez.
Los padres de los asesinados exigen que los tres niveles de gobierno deslinden responsabilidades y aclaren con toda precisión quiénes de los jóvenes, por nombre y edad, pertenecían a la banda de los Artistas Asesinos y quiénes no tenían ningún nexo con pandilleros o sicarios de los cárteles de la droga.
Los familiares están seguros de que la detención de uno de los supuestos sicarios y la muerte del líder la célula que llevó a cabo la matanza, son una suerte de montajes de reacción inmediata para acallar los reclamos en torno al incremento de la delincuencia en Ciudad Juárez.
Todo este paquete de sucesos, se enmarca en una sola constante que hemos analizado y repetido en este espacio en los últimos meses: la usencia de una estructura de inteligencia anticrimen y el consecuente divorcio entre los esfuerzos de mandos militares y policiacos para atacar desde la esfera de la planeación al fenómeno delictivo en Chihuahua.
Si a esto le sumamos las deficiencias en los tiempos de reacción de las fuerzas federales que patrullan Ciudad Juárez, tenemos un panorama aún más complicado.
Lo anterior, porque precisamente a tres calles del lugar en donde ocurrió la masacre de los jóvenes, había un retén militar que revisaba al paso de vehículos civiles hacia el fraccionamiento en donde ocurrió la matanza.
Al escucharse las primeras detonaciones y conforme el comando iba asesinando a los muchachos y muchachas, varios vecinos corrieron hacia el sitio en el que estaban los militares a bordo de dos vehículos Hummer y una pick up, para pedirles a gritos que fueran al sitio de la agresión para detener a los sicarios.
Los militares no se movieron de su lugar, argumentando que si lo hacían al rato iban a regresar los sicarios y entonces no habría quien defendiera a los vecinos atacados. ¿Qué?, ¿quieren quedarse desprotegidos?, contestaron.
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Q pedo con la Polaka si le meterian un susto???
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Gente Nueva
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It’s nice to see people sharing good thoughts and info. Keep it up you all. Damn good work Michel. I have been following the news reports on this. Dude, this whole thing is some sick shit!! If that was one of my kin that got dusted, retribution is the only word that fits. (P.R.S)
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that guy is in El Paso with his family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSJVGPzW-_A
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ilegal
incredible
Where is the article from?
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so rabbit do u know who cartero from ap is and did u hear he got clipped in ap a week ago
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yeah he and another guy by a armed group
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yeah el cardian and company clipped him
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I heard, bro. What a mess. Do you remember when manny sameniego got hit? Its always some stupid shit. Jonny, when things get back to normal, someday, I will be back. Until then, no nada. Too easy to get clipped these days.
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Who has his shit together way better than you. Lol!!!
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ramas u from this area so u say cardian out of naco killed cartero then
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rabbit what word have u got on the cartero hit in ap
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There is a lot of shit that goes on in AP that no one ever repports on on this side of the border. What gives, michel? Show me some good stuff from AP. Then get your pay pal together for donations from readers like us. This shit is way better than the public broadcast system. I’m waiting. As soon as you do, illl send you my donation. Or give me a po box number and I will send my check every month. The rest of you arumentative people should do the same. If the rest of you that have time to laugh, cry or call me a tweakmonster (wtf) you should have the decensy to hook a brotha up. No one seserves better than mike. Sorry Michel, think you deserve it.
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Sorry for the type o’s. I’m on the road and this touch pad on my I phone is sucks!
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Don’t be fooled by the press, there is few people who know exactly what happened. Some of these “kids” belonged to “el chapo” and they even defend themselves shooting back the hit-men. Now, the people who did this (“Los Aztecas”) never thought in the whole mess they would get into, now even the president came to the city and there is heavy patrolling from the army and federal police, making it hard to “work” for people from La Linea and other parties that are “neutral” in this war.
There is a strong rumor that La Linea has left the Aztecas by their own due to the massacre and now even more since the guy who gave them “power” is not here anymore.
(Some people may know what I’m talking about, if you don’t know don’t fooking ask if you live in Juarez)
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First of the month, Time for my donation!!!!!!!
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