Paying for the Sins of the Father and for the Rest of Us
Mar 19th, 2010 | By Michel Marizco | Category: General News, Politics
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THE BORDER REPORT
One of those reader comments that caught my attention for its writing, from Valentina Isabella.
Vicente Zambada-Niebla is going to be crucified for being his father’s son. No one in the U.S. knows, or cares to research any viable details about the drug cartels in Mexico. Between Juarez, Beltran-Leyva and Sinaloa, it’s basically all the same. Granted, the Sinaloa cartel is not even fully responsible for what’s going on in Ciudad Juárez. But I suppose it’s much easier for the Mexican government to blame it on the drug cartels, instead of the resources (like jobs that can sustain a family, education, opportunities) that the government itself fails to provide their people.
Everything that’s completely irrelevant to his case and the charges he’s been charged with will be tainted with the violence in Juarez and along the border, the fact that he’s El Mayo Zambada’s son, and let’s not forget “all” the eveidence that the government will provide. If the U.S. Attorney’s office in Chicago is referring to testimony from the Margarito and Pedro twins and their drug dealers, then it’s not enough and it’s unfair. I’m sure if I were ever in their position I would say whatever the U.S. government wants me to say, seriously, I would say anything, anything at all to save my own ass. Zambada-Niebla is going to have an unfair trial in Chicago and that’s an unfortunate fact. The worst part is that we’re all just going to sit back and watch. This isn’t the justice system I believe in. I would never go for the heart simply because I could get the head, the heart being Vincete Zambada-Niebla and the head being his father. They are going to punish him in order to punish his father.
“The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.” Ezekiel 18:20
On that note, if anyone should see their day in court, it should be whatever the hell is left of the Beltran-Leyva cartel and Los Zetas.
Am I missing something, or does your post sound like you’re defending this guy (or any of these guys for that matter!)!?
Let us not forget that this, and just about every other individual in his position will not think twice to rip your throat out at the mere suspicion that you might be a speed bump in the progression of his criminal enterprise!!
I’m just as fascinated about the Narco Culture as the next guy, but it seems like our tolerance for these heartless individuals gains more and more tolerance with each passing murder, decapitation, etc.
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@ Michel,
If anyone beliieves our justce system works, they are foolish as hell. This guy got fed to the dogs. He is going to get screwed. I have never seen a federal trial that the deck wasn’t stacked. But some people get favortis,, usually depends on how much bullshit info you feed them. Most of these of these rats tell them whatever they want to hear, then testify to it as fact. But let’s face it, only 3% of federal cases ever go to trial. So how fair is our justce system. (Not at all).
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I don’t think he’s defending anything, that’s reality.
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“it’s much easier for the Mexican government to blame it on the drug cartels, instead of the resources (like jobs that can sustain a family, education, opportunities) that the government itself fails to provide their people”
Well put but let’s face it, even if everything the people of Mexico need was provided the drug traffic and all that comes with it would still be there.
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el conejo dijo: “This guy got fed to the dogs. He is going to get screwed”…. this foo didn’t get fed to the dogs he had it coming … esteem puto no es inocente…. ni madres… do u have any idea how many people have been killed in his name by los antrax….not his dads… hasta personas cercanas de este perro dicen ke el niño era una persona sadica abusivo….por mi ke le den piso….se atenia del poder de su puto padre traicionero….y es bien..y es bien sabido ke este perro es el ke surtia todo chicago, los angeles, phoenix, new york….el cartel es de su papa pero el se encargaba of the day to day operations….Ke te pudras en la carcel vicente!…. one more thing, esta vieja de seguro extraña la lana ke el puto gastaba en su table dance…ya me hicieron empetuniar so early in the morning no jodan amáres..
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so rabbit are you saying that pedro n margarito flores pulled the whole story out of their ass…. esos weyes le servian a dos amos al mayito y al arturo….trust me rabbit the feds don’t investigate off bullshit info…ke se amarre un huevo y se atenga…just like you….u committed the crime but paid ur time or were u innocent also?
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I went on a federal case. I promise you I was not guilty, and since you don’t know me, and it’s too late to change anything, I have no reason to lie. I had just lost everything and was getting back on my feet when I got arrested on a federal charge. The arrest, 3 months detainment, and the year I lost fighting in the court system trashed my life, my business and my family. I wound up with a public defender because I didn’t have the money for a defense. The US attorney agreed dropping my charge to a misdemeanor and time served if I could meet certain conditions. The day before the deadline I found a way to meet those conditions. I called my attorney to let him know, and he told me they had canceled the deal. He said I was going to get 2 years if I went to trial, probation if I took a plea bargain, because of acceptance of responsilbility. I took the plea not to get the time. When asked by the Judge if I had been promised anything in return for my guilty plea, it took me at least 5 minutes before I could speak. I knew if I said yes that I had been promised something, there goes my chance at probation instead of time. So I said no. You can not win with the feds if you don’t have money. If you do, then maybe…. I am now marked for life with a felony when I have done nothing. I realize no one forced me to take the plea.. or did they? What is force? Why do the definitions that apply to them not apply to us? I spent most of this process in disbelief, unable to comprehend that the country I grew up in would use such underhanded methods. There is no such thing as a fair trial anymore. Just legal wrangling, slander and lies. The corruption in Mexico pales in comparison to the United States, here it’s just at a much higher level, with a much higher price. This is what happened to me because I chose to mind my own business and told the wrong person to screw off. Am I bitter? Hell yes!!! wouldn’t you be?
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@nandien
el ke nada teme nada debe….if u were innocent u should’ve gone to trial… ur innocent until proven guilty….if you entered a plea agreement es porke no kerias ke investigaran deeper…so don’t come here with that bullshit…
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es verdad lo que dijo el conejo, los pinches antrax y el culo apretado del R mataron y siguen matando cientos de personas a nombre del vicentillo, now, i’m not saying that he is gonna have a fair trial here in the states, but, unas por otras, in mexico, let’s be real, he wasn’t going to be paying for all those killings, so, if we do the math, the shit is going to pay here for, unfairly, we just put it his tab from mexico…and about the mexican authorities blaming all the shit that it’s being going on in Juarez to the drug cartels because it’s easier, i agree, the reality is that the lack of job opportunities and the corruption from the local authorities forces the lower classes to look for alternative money sources like , narco menudeo, robo, jale de sicario, secuestro, ..la gente tiene que comer y mantener a sus familias, and the cartels need people to do the dirty job.
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@ D Nephew
Have you ever been through the federa court system? I doubt it. Tambien, te debes a aprender mas espanol porque como escibes usted, se vale verga. Y eres Nephew de quien? Beltran? Chapo? Yo soy El Papa de Amado Carrillo, Vete ala verga con tus pendejadas!
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@nadien
ur right i haven’t been to prison..and i thank GOD…
but i lead a squeaky clean life….como te dije el ke nada debe nada teme …. now im not going to succumb too ur childish name calling… pero es la verdad ur story apesta a cagada…
@michel
ponlo en su lugar porke me va colmar la paciencia and i don’t want to get censored by big brother…u know wat i mean..
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@ D Nephew
Ok put me in my place? I promise you are not who you think you are. So please don’t try to start with the “hey somebody calm me down” nobody is scared of you. When I wrote the first post today I was not looking for a beef with you or anybody else. Only speaking my mind and pointing to an example. But I will say this. And I will not “succumb to childish name calling” but it’s opinions like yours (although you have the right to it) and people like you (yes there are many I am afraid) who run they’re mouth about things they nothing of. Those are the people who have allowed our system to get as messed up as it is. I can tell you you will learn alot by running your mouth less and listening more. And one more thing, If I write something it is the truth, I don’t “bullshit” and I have no need to feel important, case in point Nadien. Oh yeah just so you don’t get confused, I am really not Amado Carrillos father.
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@nadien
el michel knows wat i mean about putting u in ur place…..
nadien dijo:”Only speaking my mind and pointing to an example”
so wat you claimed to be the honest truth was nothing more but a story from figment of your imagination…. osea eres un ALUCIN…..
wats funny is that u made up that story to look cool and u turned out looking like an idiot…. i mean, what innocent person agrees to a plea agreement and tarnishes their rep? go feed that shit to the moscas in ur canton…..
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@michel
I am not gonna argue with this idiot anymore. I’m sorry, if I am banned I am banned so be it.
@ D nephew
Whatever dude, it takes alot more than you to put me in my place. Apparently you think that the comments are yours to police and control, so good luck with that. I’ll put end to this right now, what I said was 100% true, and I’m not reading the comments from now on so comment all you want and keep on pretending your the nephew of _insert favorite mafia head here_ or Elvis Presley for all I care.
@michel
be nice if the site had an “ignore comments from X” option, that way disagreements could be settled quickly.
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@ D nephew
No, amigo, I was a hard core trafficer. But what they indicted me for was 90% bullshit. What exactly are you saying? You speak crazy. Slow that rol.
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conejo dijo: “No, amigo, I was a hard core trafficer. But what they indicted me for was 90% bullshit.”
exactly you committed a crime and you paid with time they might of indicted u for 90% bs but u know u were guilty, right? al capone went to prison for tax evasion not boot legging or murder…but regardless he was guilty….
Thats what im talking about….
im not attacking u… so don’t come at me with ur piss poor attitude….
now explain to me what is so CRAZY about my comment?
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@nadien
nadien dijo ” Apparently you think that the comments are yours to police and control, so good luck with that”…
no compadre yo no pienso pero el michel pidio “no insults” and i’ve been reprimanded more than once….
i’m sorry if u got offended But re-read ur story and u will realize it doesn’t make sense….
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se solto el pinche diablo ahora si!!!!! ataques con granadas en Mazatlan y narco retenes a plena luz del dia en Mochis.
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@ilegal
compadre porke hay me llego el reporter ke chaguin andava enpetuniado porke la cagazon ke la gn andava haciendo en el puerto… el reten en los mochis a de ser gente de isidro…..
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es gente del chapito isidro y chuyin, a mochis no entra gn ni mandando a los guachos por delante como acostumbran hacer.
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no porke el chapito los agarra como a los antrax en el burrion….hahaha….al oir los cincuentas se cagan… ni modo el gobierno kiere guerra no kiere ser parejo…
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I read that federal conviction rate is 90% so when feds on u u screwed
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What I am telling you is, if the means justify the ends, why have a constitution. If the use rats that will say anything to save their skin, then take away another mans fredom and life over it, that isn’t a just system. Come on, amigo, that’s not really cool.
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The reason the fed conviction rate is 90% is cuz they plea 90% of their cases. Out of less than ten percent of tria,s, the conviction rate is almost 50/50. My brother beat the feds in trial once. Look, the prisons may very well have a purpose, but the system is broken.
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vinotinto: I totally agree, however, my best friend metioned something very interesting while we were discussing several issues with the Mexican cartels, she told me that during the time that Pablo Escobar was on the run and eventually killed, the cocaine production did not decrease on bit, in fact it was much worse. Right now, from what it seems, the U.S. government wants one of the most powerful man in the world, beause he’s 1) a billionaire and 2) very influential. But the problem is that hundreds of people, maybe even thousands depend on his business/empire, in order to feed their families. I like to think that I have a good sense of social consciousness, I don’t believe that neglecting the fact that there are people so desperate to live and to be able to provide for their families is okay. I work with people who don’t give a damn about anything except themselves, they talk about Mexico and Central American countires as though they were third world countries and there’s no hope, so why bother. I’m not like that, I can’t allow myself to think that way. If you read comments about what some of these guys do for their own country, they are doing so much more than the government. Forget about good vs. evil, think about the fact that some people in Columbia are so poor that they rather cultivate cocaine than coffee – doesn’t that make you think something is wrong? If the governments in Mexico and Columbia want to play the blame game, that’s fine, but they have to know that there are consequences due to their constant negligant behavior and bad decisions.
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@ D_Nephew
Alright I’ll futher the peace effort, maybe I would have been better off not saying anything. When I am not told I am full of shit, I am pretty easy to get along with. As far as my 1st post today, my point was this, when the fed gets into you on something you are screwed most times, When I was told things like what has happened to me, I used to have the same reaction as you. Without being hateful or trying start shit, what about my post does not make sense? please tell me so that I can clarify. I did skim over some nonessential info for privacy, and to keep my post from being a mile long. Sorry for being insulted but this something that has had a profound effect on who I am and what I am allowed to do in life, I no longer have all the same freedoms as a convicted felon that you have. I would not waste my time defending bullshit.
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D Nephew:
No, the point I’m trying to make is much more resonable, which is that usually when the U.S. Attorney’s office in any particular federal case does not have enough real substantial evidence, meaning recordings, video surveillance that’s actually clear (not some grainy video that depicts some guy that could be you, but look 5 pounds heavier), and something that’s pretty solid like a letter or something along those lines, then they resort to cutting deals with criminals who are smart enought to make them. The problem is that in doing so it leads to serious issues regarding credibility, in other words is this person’s statement true or is he trying to safe himself from doing time. If you’re a stand-up guy and you know what you did, you’re not going to allow the U.S. Atty’s office to use you by telling you what kind of statement they need from you in trial… We had a client once that testified and he didn’t even know what year it was, I’m not kidding, that’s how stupid he was and even then the government used him as a witness against his co-defendants. I’ll give you an example from another case, US. v. John Connolly, who was an FBI agent from Boston, he grew up with James Bulger (I think he’s the 2nd most wanted guy after Osama Bin Laden), needless to say he only dealt with Bulger and Stephan Flemmi, but mostly with Bulger, both were the heads of the Irish mob up in New England. For having misused both men as informats, he was indicted for a murder that took place in Miami, the star witness was the actual hitman (the guy that pulled the trigger) who had cut a deal with the government and only did 14 years for cooperating. Of course, Connolly was found guilty, because unfortunately here in Miami people are quite mindless and it’s very sad, but true. The only real star witness would have been Bulger himself, but clearly, he’s at large – seriously he’s 70 something and he’s still out there.
In Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla’s case, the star witness with the most amount of knowledge is his father, El Mayo Zambada or even Juaquin Guzman-Loera, not the twins. What are the odds that they knew who they were talking to, after all they also did business with the Beltran-Leyva cartel. But the government doesn’t care about Arturo Beltran-Leyva, because he’s dead. Have you asked yourself where the hell did those threatening hallmark cards were coming from? Los Zetas and the Beltran-Leyva brother would leave a note on every corpse – it’s their trademark. But the Sinaloa cartel is going to pay for everything that the Beltran-Leyva cartel has done, because 1) they are filthy rich and 2) the government really wants Guzman-Loera and Zambada-Garcia. So they are willing to to do anything to get them, by anything, I mean ANYTHING.
Again, think and question everything. It’s good for you.
Best,
Valentina
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“D_Newphew: el ke nada teme nada debe….if u were innocent u should’ve gone to trial… ur innocent until proven guilty….if you entered a plea agreement es porke no kerias ke investigaran deeper…so don’t come here with that bullshit…”
I realize how ignorant you are, but I’m going to entertain you’re coments. In the United States of America, during any federal case, you should know that you are in fact GUILTY until proven INNOCENT. Most people prefer to plea, because they are scared to be found guilty, no matter what and you’ll get the full wrath of the punishment, even if you’re innocent. Federal trials are very difficult, because the Assistant United States Attorneys have, or appear to have, an easier time trying the case. Unless you have the BEST defense attorney, you don’t stand a chance. In state cases, anything goes and I like that – but it’s not a challenge. Listen, God bless you and I hope you never find yourself in a federal courtroom, it’s not the best place to be if you’re not a lawyer or a reporter. Take care.
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Pinche dnephew estas bien ardido con el nino buey que te chingo a tu vieja haha
ya salte del culo del los mugrosos zetas pronto abra calma GN controlara todo y los mochis es de el mayo
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Ilegal: The tabs from Mexico don’t count here. What I care about is that he actually gets a fair trial, that’s all I care about. I know that if he were my son all I would care about is that he isn’t judged or that his case won’t be tainted for what he hasn’t done. I want real substantial evidence. That’s what my tax money goes into, a real trial.
Wouldn’t you want a fair trial? I would think so.
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el d nephew le tiene mucha envidia a los sinaloenses agaranse ay viene la gente epa toro!
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I have to admit the more the war goes on in mexico the higher the price of dope goes up. Not only does it go up but it is taking longer to get a hold of. And i live in austin tx.
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nice article michael, but anybody that knows anything about the mayo zambada cartel, knows that “el nino” is hardly from innocent. He might of been born into that life, tough shit i guess. But he was pretty ruthless and ordered the killings of many people. Ask anybody that lives in culiacan, and they can tell you who this “innocent” person is. I guess whats more sad about this acticle is that you use the bible to defend him, lol.
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hey rofl u dont know anybody from culichi just read the story and shut up u are nobody to judge el nino culon blogging from behind your desk go back into your moms basement and dont comeout
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agree with rofl…..no ofense michael but what does the bible has to do with anything? if anything religion and god are the one of the leading causes of death
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okay “el nino” is innocent..jajajaja thats funny…
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“blogging from behind your desk go back into your moms basement and dont comeout” at the end of the day were all blogging behind our desks and every comment and post we make can only be tooken at face value. Don’t you agree? At the end of the day, who gives a shit.
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Rolf: The post is about his freaking federal trial, not about him being “innocent,” what I’m saying is that he has no chance in hell. NOT. A. SINGLE. CHANCE. Right now I pay for those trials, eventually I’m going to try the same type of cases, and all I’m asking for is a fair trial. Nothing more, nothing less. You don’t have to go into your mom’s basement, look I think I may have been called a table dancer or something along those lines, but I’m not. So whatever anyone says, doesn’t matter. What does matter is that what’s going on in Juarez and towards the border will translate into a courtroom. And eventually, if you’re Mexican American or Hispanic American or if you look Hispanic, you’re going to be judged just because hispanics are “responsible” for everything that’s going on everywhere. Eventually, if we don’t put a stop to it, we’ll be treated as cattle, they’ll dismiss our arguments as ignorant and disruptive. We need to take a stand, whether you’re from Puerto Rico or Mexico or Venezuela, wherever you’re from you’re Hispanic. I’m lucky I live in Miami, because here you have to speak Spanish in order to get some coffee at a shop, but look at all the immigration raids in Arizona and Texas. There is power in numbers, but we forget that, so we don’t count. Trust me, whether he’s innocent or not, you’d want a fair trial if you were in his place or if that was your son. You would at least want a chance to prove your innocence and fight for your freedom. He won’t have that chance. The U.S. government wants his father, they want him bad, and Zambada-Niebla is going to pay for that. That’s called a mistrial and you’re confusing it with indirect justice.
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Everyone, please don’t be upset with Mitchel, he was kind and generous enough to re-post my comment from one of his earlier posts about Vicente Zambada-Niebla. You see where he wrote, “One of those reader comments that caught my attention for its writing, from Valentina Isabella.”
Mitchel isn’t defending him or stating he is innocent, technically, I’m defending him a little – what I’m really asking for is a fair trial.
But it’s a great compliment that all of you confused my comment with HIS writing. For that, I thank you!
Once again,
Valentina Isabella
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This article reenforced how I feel. This guy will never get a fair trial, because in a lot of people’s eyes, he is guilty as sin. He was already found guilty, not based on real evidence, but by being mayo’s son. Guilty without a trial is what has been said here. (Bullshit). The federal court system, the federal guidelines, and the new new new new federal guidelines are bullshit.
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First, I would like to apoligize to Michael for making the false assumption that he wrote this piece. Secondly, I would agree with you that him gettting a fair trail will be very difficult, because of course he is the son of ismael. However, only people with direct knowledge of the case can either argue or against him getting a fair trail (i will not try to do either). But most cases like these, hardly are ever based on a “fair trial”, being most are convicted by testimony of witnesses who’s crediability is lacking at best (ratas will say anything to survive). Anyhoo, i guess everything written here can be taken always at face value, especially when insults fly, for no apparent reason lol. At the end of the day, were all just watching the show and enjoying it (why else would we be in these blogs?). But, the only thing I did not get about your comments Valentina, is that you said your arguing that he be given a fair trail (which i agree he should get), why bring the bible, and make this an moral issue? Because to argue that he’s morally innocent (if there is such a thing) i believe you would be hard pressed.
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Is that a challenge? I assure you, I can argue in my sleep. I’m kidding, to answer your question, my research and my interest in the case is the trial itself. I read many comments that were positive, about how his father gives jobs to the people in Sinaloa (I know what kind of jobs), but nonetheless it puts food on the table. This is one of the comments I got, “yo pienso que el viejon vicente es muy buena gente y pienso y se sabe en culiacan y en el estado de sonora ah ayudado a mucha gente. N se merece que los gringos lo jusguen pues siempre se mantuvo ajeno en cosas de secuestros y en maransas.” And that’s from someone who lives in Culiacan. There were plenty of negative comments, just as there are now. But the fact that there was good things to be said, I wanted to concentrate on that, because there’s enough negative things coming from Mexico as it is, especially from Juarez. If you’re indicted for something in the U.S., there better be an overwhelming amount of proof in order to allow your freedom to be ripped away from you. Any length of time in any Federa Prison in the U.S. is hard and odds are he’s going to a Medium or High security prison – do you have any idea what that’s like? It’s not as bad as state prisons, but it’s still hell on earth… Do you have any idea how many hispanics can be found on the BOP?
From statistics:
NUMBER OF INSTITUTIONS: 90
TOTAL INMATE POPULATION: 110,160
In BOP facilities: 99,175 In contract facilities: 10,985
The total population includes all inmates in BOP custody: those in BOP facilities and those in contract facilities. BOP facilities — Penitentiaries, Federal Correctional Institutions, Federal Prison Camps, Federal Medical Centers, and others — are operated by the BOP. Contract facilities, usually Community Corrections Centers or detention facilities, are operated by non-BOP staff. The BOP contracts with these facilities to house Federal offenders on a per capita basis. The data presented here relate to offenders in BOP facilities only unless otherwise noted.
INMATES BY SECURITY LEVEL
Minimum: 26,734 (29.02%) Low: 31,557 (34.25%) Medium: 21,031 (22.83%) High: 12,814
(13.91%) (7,039 inmates have not been assigned a security level)
INMATES BY GENDER
Male: 92,116 (92.88%) Female: 7,059 (7.12%)
INMATES BY RACE
White: 56,200 (56.67%) Black: 39,836 (40.17%) Asian: 1,658 (1.67%) Native American:
1,481 (1.49%)
ETHNICITY
Hispanic: 27,230 (27.46%) Non-Hispanic: 71,945 (72.54%)
CITIZENSHIP
United States: 72,541 (74.52%) Mexico: 8,609 (8.84%) Colombia: 4,334 (4.45%) Cuba:
2,759 (2.83%) Other/Unknown: 11,024 (10.89%)
AVERAGE INMATE AGE: 37
SENTENCE IMPOSED (calculated for those with sentencing information available)
Less than 1 year: 1,625 (2.01%) 1-3 years: 11,122 (13.75%) 3-5 years: 11,470 (14.19%)
5-10 years: 19,875 (24.58%) 10-15 years: 17,676 (21.86%) 15-20 years: 7,781 (9.62%)
More than 20 years: 8,934 (11.05%) Life: 2,375 (2.94%)
TYPE OF OFFENSE (calculated for those with offense-specific information available)
Drug Offenses: 52,956 (60.2%) Robbery: 8,414 (9.6%) Firearms, Explosives, Arson:
7,950 (9.0%) Extortion, Fraud, Bribery: 4,962 (5.6%) Property Offenses: 5,194
(5.9%) Violent Offenses: 2,270 (2.6%) Immigration: 2,988 (3.4%) Continuing Criminal
Enterprise: 667 (0.8%) White Collar: 644 (0.7%) Courts or Corrections: 560 (0.6%)
National Security: 74 (0.1%) Miscellaneous: 1,339 (1.5%)
Quote from the article on MSNBC stated, “There is quite a bit of evidence in this case,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Shakeshaft told Castillo. You know what that statement does, it tells everyone, the media, the public, literally, everyone, that there is evidence to support their case. You want to know what I did? I looked up Margarito, I looked up his brother on the BOP, I looked up all of the petty gangster pushing the drugs on the streets and they were not found. What that means is that they are currently in protective custody. So much for evidence, huh? Give me receipts, emails, video surveillance, anything but a bunch of gangsters who have no way out. From now until his trial they are going to meet with the A.U.S.A. and practice their “testimony.” That’s exactly what’s going to happen and they will be back out in Chicago in 4 years or less.
As to the moral issues, I’ll leave that up to God, I’m no one to judge, I try to do good, but sometimes I’m bad and clearly I’m very human. Tell me, are you so perfect that you can judge the world? For the record if you want to argue about morals, lets add to the long list of “wrongdoers,” every president in power right now, corrupt politicians, federal and state law enforcement everywhere, bank executives and anyone that contributed to the economy, since millions of jobs were lost, the Bush administration, oh and lets not forget the Pope. When you’re done with all of them, we’ll discuss morality or the lack there of.
As to the Bible, Ezekiel 18:20 is very powerful and very true, I will use it again if need be. I’m pretty positive I will use it in the future, perhaps in similar cases.
Best,
V
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ROFL: I answered your question and my comment wasn’t posted. Honestly, I can argue in my sleep… I’m kidding, but in all seriousness and to be quite sincere with you. I used Ezekiel 18:20 because it’s powerful and it’s the only quote in the Bible that can explain how complicated the situation is between a father and a son. His morality, or lack there of, has nothing to do with the charges against him. The charges are pretty severe and he’s going to be judged on the fact that he is his father’s son and on the fact that there’s so much violence in Juarez. It’s as simple as that and it’s already working it’s magic, look at this statement from an article, “Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, 34, who was extradited here last week, appeared for the brief hearing under unusually heavy security as nearly a dozen security officers stood guard in the courtroom.” The papers are already stating that he himself is considered extremely dangerous, that alone will give a hell of an impression on any jury. And another one quote, “There is quite a bit of evidence in this case,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Shakeshaft told Castillo.” That quote disturbs much more, because the U.S. Attorney’s office is representing that they have so much “evidence” that he’s so guilty, not even the Pope could testify on his behalf. I’m waiting for the evidence they are referring to, and while I wait, I look up Margarito and Pedro’s case and I look everyone else up, I even looked them up on the BOP, and as I expected they were no where to be found. In other words they are under protective custody, which means they are cooperating with the U.S. government. Granted they also did a lot of business with the Beltran-Leyva brother’s, but who cares about Arturo right? Because he doesn’t count anymore.
As to your statement about morality, no one is “morally innocent,” not even the Pope. I’ll leave the moral issues up to God, I’m too human to even dare to discuss morality.
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no it wasn’t a challenge (why i said i would not argue for or against, I know little about he’s trial or the evidence against him). If you read more of my comment, I do agree it would be hard for him to get a fair trial or anyone for that matter, because of how the U.S. legal system works. And I also agree, los zambadas have also done good, not is all bad. And I agree that no one is “morally innocent” i just brought it up because you did when you brought up the bible in defended him. But I wont go as far in saying its all crimson and clove with “el nino”. But this is just another case, fix the real drug problem, shit like this happens all the time.
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@ Valentina,
For the sake of argument, while I agree that Mayo Zambada is among the more reasonable of Mexico’s drug lords in some terms, I would not agree for a moment that he is the Robin Hood figure you seem to portend him to be. It is his federation of syndicates after all, who took the war to Juárez in the first place. Yes, he has acted in the sense of greater common good in some instances, one I can think off the top of my head is the beating of Frausto Ocampo, a drug lord I wrote about a year ago, accused in the murder of a Sinaloa journalist. In another case, he hired an unemployed uncle of a friend of mine to trim the dead palm fronds off the trees in the driveway of a home he owned. But his people also hire killers for the equivalent of $500 a month. I recognize that Mexico is a poor country but you’ll be hard-pressed to find a decent Mexican who thinks this is justifiable.
Morally, is he any better than say, Arturo Beltrán? Beltrán was a vicious supplantor who came into the business because of Zambada’s cohorts. He didn’t suddenly become the murderous bastard that he was one day in spring of 2008. Prior to his split from the Sinaloa Federation, he simply had the approval of his employers.
Zambada’s strongman, Macho Prieto, dismembered 11 people from a campo in northern Sonora, June 2009. It wasn’t Zambada himself who handled the power saw, it was one of his subjugates, true. Does this excuse his behavior? As far as I know, Macho Prieto is still running around Mexico.
As for the statistics you provided, and thank you for those, they’re very telling, be they American, Mexican or Colombian, is it appropriate to suggest the defendants didn’t deserve prosecution? i see sixty percent are in for drug offenses; are they really all insignificant marijuana possession with user amounts? Or are they also ice dealers and rock movers?
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They are dealers and rock movers, all products of their environment. People that perhaps didn’t get a fair chance in life and that if I had to defend them as though it were my life on the line – I would. It would be my honor.
Like Guzman, Zambada and Beltran-Leyva, these people are all products of their environment and even then, as brutal as reality is, they all deserve a fair chance to have a fair trial.
I may “talk” a lot, after all I am talker, but I do as much as I can to help those who need my help. That includes my neighbors who can’t speak English and need something translated or even assistance in how to figure out how to send their emails. My sister’s friends when they get traffic citations for trying to get home to their kids on time, since they are single mothers, and that also includes anyone that needs my help – even some Mexican guy, who is the son of a very serious drug trafficker, who is going to get slaughtered in a couple of months when his trial comes around.
Personally, I don’t give a damn about morality, because to me it’s inexistent. Which is probably why I’m so argumenative. There’s a quote from Roy Black regarding the justice system in Miami that I love, which can be directed to any city in the country, he states,”The Miami justice system blended law and economics to create a monster conveyor belt capable of speeding each defendant to the state penitentiary at the lowest possible cost per unit, and it was a pleasure to derail that factory machinery by throwing a constiutional monkey wrench into its gears.” Again, in a couple of years I’ll be at the PD’s office fighting for the “ice dealers” and “rock movers,” and again it will be my honor and pleasure to fight for their rights.
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I guess I know too many decent, poor people in these countries and others to ever be able to enter into a level of sympathy where I’d equate an ice dealer with a single mother trying to raise her kids.
I’ll agree with you on the point of the need for a fair trial. And context is important in every case, I feel it’s usually ignored. But you’ll never convince me Chapo Guzmán is a victim of his environment.
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No one is a victim. As I stated, he’s a product of his environment, not a victim. As for sympathy, life takes care of that, I won’t pick and choose who to fight for. All I want is justice.
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@Valentina: “There is quite a bit of evidence in this case,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Shakeshaft told Castillo.” That quote disturbs much more, because the U.S. Attorney’s office is representing that they have so much “evidence” that he’s so guilty, not even the Pope could testify on his behalf. I’m waiting for the evidence they are referring to.
The evidence is there, unless his attorney is gambling on “jury nulification.” Unless something has changed, the AUSA only accepts slam dunk cases.
PAAALEEEEEZZZE, Valentina. I hope you are adding your comments here towards your billable hours,
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VALENTINA DIJO:” I realize how ignorant you are, but I’m going to entertain you’re coments. In the United States of America, during any federal case, you should know that you are in fact GUILTY until proven INNOCENT.”
IN WHAT U.S. LAW TEXT BOOK DOES IT STATE THAT YOU ARE GUILTY UNITL PROVEN INNOCENT? DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FACT & FACTOID?
BUT I’M THE IGNORANT ONE……HAHAHA…..ME DAS LASTIMA……BY THE WAY DON’T TAKE BIBLICAL VERSES OUT OF CONTEXT TO DEFEND THESE CRIMINALS……YOU’RE INSULTING THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY WITH YOUR IGNORANCE…..DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT THE TRUE MEANING OF THAT VERSE? I THINK NOT……..
Y NO TE APURES POR EL VICENTILLO YOUR SINGLE MOTHER FRIENDS NO SE QUEDARAN SIN COMER ….THERES PLENTY OF NARCO MONEY TO GO AROUND FOR THE TABLE DANCERS……HAHHAHAHAHA
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@Valentina: A long time ago, my Mom was a Prosecuting Attorney in the Border Region, and one of the big fights she would get into with her co-horts was, “Is This Fair?” They’d say, “Who cares? We all know he’s a baddie and needs to do some time so fook it, let’s just move this shit along!… Next!”
Drove her nuts.
Thank you very much for all your time and effort on these cases, and I wish you the best of luck, and keep up the good work.
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Judges smoke it ” Peter Tosh
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I think all of us agree that the violence in mexico is disturbing. I always respect Michel’s point of view and the way he uses his words.
I am a guy that has been through the system. It is real hard to be objective, while some U.S. attorney that does not know you from shit, files documentation against you aleging crimes. Here is something to think about, any thing written on paper in federal court, unless challenged, stands as fact. Now, in an overwhelmed justice system, mostly due to this drug war, how many indigent defendant’s get to challenge much of anything? Further, even out of the paid attorney’s, how many of them challenge much of anything? Why work and defend your client, when you can cut a deal and plea bargain everything, or get your client to roll over and tell whatever he has to to save his skin?
I could never defend the senselessness in Mexico without being a total hypocrite. The violence is insanity that needs to end. However, I don’t believe that this guy will get a fair trial. I can’t in good conscience, after where I’ve been, find this guy guilty with words, rather than real fact. Whether he deserves it or not is another thing all together. I don’t agree with senseless murder. But maybe to some of these people the murders are not senseless. The thing is sad.
As far as portraying people as Robbin Hood type characters, that’s ridiculous. Enriching yourself at whatever means necessay is dirty.
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LAW ABIDING CITIZEN: I hope you never find yourself in a federal courtroom or for that matter, in a federal prison. And on that awful note, God save your soul. For the record, none of my sister’s friends are what you call “table dancers,” for one, they are in their 40s and they’re also women who have to struggle on their own. Clearly, you and your friends must know plenty of strippers, and good for you, I don’t judge anyone because of their profession. Because those women are also trying to put food on the table and I commend that. I don’t refere to anyone in a deameaning way that you do, wich only glorifies your ignorance and simple-minded nature. You must be really upset with women, I wonder who scorned you, who ever she is, she’s better off without you. Stay in church, the four walls will keep you out of prison. Unless it’s a catholic church and you’re molesting kids. But it doesn’t matter what I say or don’t say, the truth is, that by the manner in which you write, you seem like that type that will see his day in court. And I hope judgment day is good to you and let me know where God will be that day.
REX: No, thank you for your comment. It’s people like you who understand the justice and legal system that will eventually make things change. Again, thank you! I’m sure you’re mother must be an amazing attorney.
For the rest of you who like to judge left and right, as thought it’s the simple, read a book, it’s good for you. And go or stay in school, it will get you places and you don’t have to do something that will compromise your life or your future. And also, everything we discuss is hearsay, unless you were there and have evidence to prove it.
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@VALENTINA
Y DID YOU EVADE THE QUESTION?
VALENTINA DIJO:” I realize how ignorant you are, but I’m going to entertain you’re coments. In the United States of America, during any federal case, you should know that you are in fact GUILTY until proven INNOCENT.”
IN WHAT U.S. LAW TEXT BOOK DOES IT STATE THAT YOU ARE GUILTY UNITL PROVEN INNOCENT? DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FACT & FACTOID?
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VALENTINA DIJO: “, you seem like that type that will see his day in court. And I hope judgment day is good to you and let me know where God will be that day.”
HAHAHA….WOW YOU ARE SO QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT……BY THE WAY I EXPRESS MYSELF YOU ASSUME I’M A CRIMINAL? HAHAHAHAHAH……WOW…ONCE AGAIN YOU’VE SHOWN HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE…..WHAT’S FUNNY IS THAT HERE YOU ARE TRYING TO HAMMER YOUR POINT NOT TO JUDGE CRIMINALS UNLESS YOU’VE GOT HARD FACTS…..YET DUE TO YOUR IGNORANCE YOU ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON ME…..HAHAHAHAH……YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!
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Well from my experience in Chicago the facts can change as the money paid to the attorneys go up.it was common practice in the ”Operation Graylord’ years for papers to be disappeared and 6 lbs of Thai stick could become 6oz or 60 lb’s depending on the size of your bank account and the lawyer you get.I’m sure this guy will be able to drop enough cash to delay this thing for a long time.If they put his ass in the Cook County Jail gang section to scare him like they do too most out of state suspects he had the adventure of a lifetime.Being the only white guy in some of those units can focus the mind.You couldn’t get a rush like that big game hunting with a cub scout knife!
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@ law abiding citizen.
Let me ask you something, if they bust you and put you in jail waiting trial, is that really being innocent until proven guitly? What does presumed innocent really mean? If a person is in jail being punished, isn’t he in fact really guilty?
Not trying to create argument, but when I was sitting in custody fighting for my freedome, I asked myself these questions several times.
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@ Jerry
This is called how much justice can you afford. But the new federal guidlines are bad. Rule 5 k1 makes it possible to get what’s called a downward departure. Just depends on how far you want to sell your soul.
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LAW “ABIDING CITIZEN”: If you can dish it… Man-up and take it. You refered to women I know, who you have never met as “table dancers.” So if you’re upset that I assumed something about you without knowing who you are, too bad. And for the record, no one can make you sick, but you probably are sick anyway. And don’t allow people to upset you so easily, it’s a sign of weakness. And this is coming from a girl. Trust me, you won’t make it in the real world, let alone a jail or a prison.
One last thing, be a good boy and my assumptions won’t come true.
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Jerry: Thank you for the insight. But he’s not at the Cook County Jail, trust me. It’s a federal case and he’s at MCC Chicago, the triangle building, it should be near the federal courthouse, it’s a federal holding facility for federal inmates who are awaiting trial. Not only is he there, but he’s also segregated from everyone else, he’s probably alone without being able to communicate with anyone. Which sucks, because that will drive anyone crazy. He’s the BIGGEST fish the U.S. government has in custody, they’re not going to play around, they need to use him as bate for the two great white sharks they want. In other words, he’s just a baby great white shark in a cage and they are going to keep him there.
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@ Valentina,
Where are you seeing him; he’s not appearing under Jesus Vicente (one, the other or both) Zambada-Niebla in the BoP locator.
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Valentina, what are you arguing? I am completely loss. First you use the bible to defend Vicente, then you say you don’t believe in morals (most laws are based on moral and natural rights in someway). I agree with you that Vicente is being used to capture the “bigger white sharks” as you put it, but in this is chess not checkers, but just because he’s being “used” it does not make him “innocent” or “guilty” for that matter. In this world, nothing can be “perfect”, which legal system in the world can be called truly fair for anyone? The constitutional it self is biased. Would you argue that Nazi war criminals were not given a fair trail? But, hey this world is all about power and courrption, we never truly rarely see whats going behind the curtains. Fairness is a subjected concept, and what is fair to you is not fair for me. So why even argue if the legal system is fair.
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como le hace pedo al chentillo, la cago y se lo va a cargar el pajaro, tiene lo que se merece el puto, sigue el lechero, ya le dejaron un regalito rumbo al charco pa que se alinie el culero. el toro del potrrillo no estaba muerto, andaba de parranda el viejon.
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OH NO VALENTINA…..
IT TAKES ALOT MORE TO RUFFLE MY FEATHERS……
THIS SHIT IS FUNNY TO ME………..
BUT LET ME APOLOGIZE FOR MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS …..YOU’RE RIGHT I DISHED IT OUT FIRST…..
WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE WOULD YOU MIND ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS BELOW….
IN WHAT U.S. LAW TEXT BOOK DOES IT STATE THAT YOU ARE GUILTY UNITL PROVEN INNOCENT? DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FACT & FACTOID?
@RABBIT
RABBIT SAID: “Not trying to create argument, but when I was sitting in custody fighting for my freedome, I asked myself these questions several times”
RABBIT WE’VE GONE OVER THIS A MILLION TIMES YOU WERE GUILTY AND YOU KNOW IT SO QUIT BITCHING ABOUT IT…….ONE THING IS YOU TYRING TO GET OFF THE HOOK ANOTHER IS BEING COMPLETELY INNOCENT WHICH YOU KNOW YOU WEREN’T……MAN UP YOU DID THE TIME AND YOU KNOW FOR WHAT CRIME……..ANYWAYS HOW LONG WERE YOU IN PRISON FOR?
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Valentina,
Are you suggesting El Quinto Mes will turn himself in to save his son?
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@law, I wouldn’t agree that its simply as you put it “innocent to proven guilty”. Although it might not say in the constitution that your guilty until proven innocent, the legal system is set up in the manner were it seems to presume your guilty. Hence, the reason rabbit was put in jail (already paying for the punishment and not even convicted it). I believe rabbit is also referring to that he was convicted on charges that he was truly innocent of (but not innocent of being a narco), which happens a lot. The U.S. system is far from “fair”, and I believe the jurors usually presume the person in the trial room is more than likely guilty, thus he better have a good defense to be proven innocent. Why, do you believe so many people do plea bargains? If you don’t have a good defense you have little chance. Many people have been put to jail on circumstantial evidence, and later set free with new DNA techiques that later have proved their innocene. Its simple as this, if your a Juror, and your presented with X evidence, from the Government. Who would you initally tend to believe that is telling the truth? The government or the person in defending himself? Just try to argue yourself out of ticket, I want to see you. A Government official word is worth more than a defendants. And if we were all truly innocent until proven guilty, there would be no reason to put you in jail until the government proved that you were guilty (which is not how the system works). But is there a better way of doing things? NO system is perfect.
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“como le hace pedo al chentillo, la cago y se lo va a cargar el pajaro, tiene lo que se merece el puto, sigue el lechero, ya le dejaron un regalito rumbo al charco pa que se alinie el culero. el toro del potrrillo no estaba muerto, andaba de parranda el viejon.”
Damn ILegal did Arturo actually give birth to you? And they call M1 ardido, that’s your name now ILegal. For someone that bitches and cries about El Mayo and Shorty actually having the money and power to use the milirary and federal police against their enemies, you want to cheerlead the US government to go after the Sinaloa Cartel. Yeah that makes sense. Bet you anything if Arturo or Mochomo were sent to the US you would be bitching and crying about the US being unfair.
And lastly the guys in Mazatlan only option is to fall in line with Mayo not the other way around. Those guys ain’t got the option now of running to Arturo for protection to send in more Zetas, Zetas by the way getting it up the ass right now by everyone. Hector must be a little preoccupied with south central Mexico right. I told you Barbie was a useless idiot that would buckle, as soon as he saw that Los Beltran Leyva were falling apart he ditched them. Funny how I told you this a long ass time ago and you still believed Barbie was a bad ass porque el compa te dijo.
Stop riding dick ILegal. I could care less if Chapo and Mayo died tomorow, unlike you who probably cried when you heard Arturo got killed by trusting morons. The reason I say what I do about them and Arturo is because it is painfully obvious that Shory and Mayo were had more power and Arturo kept making dumbass moves. But you don’t want to face reality because el compa te dijo.
D_nephew why do you always change your name, to a movie that sucked ass no less. It would of been ok if the guy got to kill Jaime Foxx’s charactor. Law Abiding Citizen and Miami Vice are two movies a regrest spending money on.
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@Valentina & Michele
He is definatly in downtown Chicago and I dont think you can find him in any inmate search because Chcago MCC is basically a transfer station.He wont make a pit stop an 26th and California (Cook County Jail) but it would serve as way way to soften him up because if your not familiar with the IDOC gang politics or are affiliated you can definatly have a better time in soletery confinment.He has to be proven guilty and should definatly excercise his right to a jury trial..Here is why, we know who he is, but does your normal caucasion or african american in cook county know who he is?? No they dont..In the United States every person accused of a crime punishable by incarceration for more than six months has a constitutional right to a trial by jury, which arises in federal court from Article Three of the United States Constitution, which states in part, “The Trial of all Crimes…shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed.” The right was expanded with the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which states in part, “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed.” Now…Valentina I see where you are comming from this man Zambada JR could have been manipulated as a youth by his money hungry dad who just so happens to be the most powerful drug lord (in my opinion) in the history of Mexico.This is where even a mental evaluation that showed he is loyal to his father could work in his favor.In a jury trial in the state of Illinois he would have a fair trial regardless of who he is..Yes Chicago is corrupt but this is a Federal case and your typical Chicago politicians has nothing to do with this so it would be hard to tamper with this one.
Pedro and Margarito..I met these two fellas when they where nobodys in the Chicago mexican nightclub scene mostly bumped into them in the bathroom (if you know what I mean) and also dealt with them at clandestine quarter horse races in the Chicago area when I used to live there.I have to say that they where stand up guys real gentlemen as we used to say..But I would have never suspected they where that big of a deal..I knew what they did but just not at that level they where at in the last couple of years before they where arrested..With that said It is even more of a plus for JR should they bring them foward to testify because a person like either of them who is essentially traped and caught would say or do anything to save his azz..I dont know this for a fact but I dont belive they directly dealt with any of the capos indicted along with JR so in no way are they of any help in the conviction of JR as a matter of fact they could help him out if presented..
Now we all know he is guilty of somthing but does a jury think that??
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wow!
I guess the new moon brings out the trolls.
In seventy posts the best thing I saw was “read a book”
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I did almost 15 years. But I’m not trying to argue. I was guilty for committing crimes, but they made up times dates and amounts. One count they charged me for was an estimate on how many bales filled up a van to the window level. Does that sound right? The rat was a child molester at one point. A real piece of shit. But hey, no problem if the government wants to use 55 year old molesters to put a 21 year old kid in prison for 20 years. And don’t start with the association thing, the molester rat wasn’t my people. He worked for someone else and fingered me as one of the distributers of the drug “organisation”. But I’m not crying. I’m just saying the system is flawed, that’s all.
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move, chihuahua tu madre puto, como vez? si no te gusta nomas dime donde, por ahi alguien dijo que tienes un rancho en Sun Valley, estoy bien cerquitas culero, vamos a dejarnos de mamadas en el internet y ver de que cuero salen mas correas.
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@ valentina
Do your job and defend the man. I know all about the feds. He’s screwed. I commend you for speaking out. Take care.
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te estoy esperando bocon hijo de la verga, no tengo todo el puto dia, voy de salida.
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BTW..This site is awsome!! as a frequent visitor I would like to welcome everyone that views this site to chime in on the comments and give your opinions or your thoughts dont be intimidated by the trouble makes and the shit talkers they are essential to the comments and its always fun to read them.
ECHELE GANAS A LA PINCHE PLUMA Y COMpetuniaDORA MISTER MARIZCO ZERO MIEDO!!!
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@ Valentina
You sound intelligent, idealistic and hopeful. Good traits to have in youth; hard traits to keep into later life. Always keep in the presence of mind that you are entering a corrupt system. Godspeed!
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@ILLEGAL
aaaayyyyy guuueeeeyyyyyyyy… grabenlo y ponganlo en youtube yo pago por ver ese enfrentamiento de dos grandisimos titanes de sitio borderreporter.com..
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Dos Grandisimos Titanes, jajaja. Que ganan con peliarse, si al final van a diferentes opiniones y comentarios y de eso se trata. Ya mejor tomense unas pinshes heladas.
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The legal system is very much like this forum is right now. Everyone knows everything, no one listens, and its all about ego’s. All this tough talk on here is very annoying. Can people not disagree without becoming A-Holes?
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@felicia
Agreed!! These guys should exchange emails or phone numbers and do it for real..But the wierdest thing about is its over somthing that dont make them or break them and to be loyal to a certain group of scumbags is pathetic in my opinion not all but saome guys do that type of stuff..Look into the history of some of these guys in other articles this is a regular deal on this site..I have to admit I am a fan of reading some of them cause it is funny as hell….
I follow thew saga of (illegal) and (Move) religiously and I am leaning more towards team Illegal so far but Move is closing in with some of his “A hitchhiker told me” kinda stuff…baaahahaha j/k Move and illegal just tryin to lighten the mood a little….Calmados raza que se discutan los grandes con plomo y sangre aya en Mexico el mero mero va a salir adelante y ese es Dios no ningun Cartel boss.
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I guess I completely underestimated the firestorm.
Law Abiding Citizen: I know that a fact is NOT a factoid. And a factoid is statements that appears to be based on a possible substantial source, but if you attempt to trace the source it leads to no where. Thus, it’s not a fact and it’s not substantial. As for the guilty until proven innocent assumption, I don’t know who you are or if you’ve ever witnessed a federal trial/prosecution in your life, especially what leads to an indictment, again I’ll reinforce my statement, “in a U.S. federal courtroom you will be considered guilty until proven innocent.” The media, on television and print, will reinforce my belief that Vicente Zambada-Niebla won’t receive a fair trial in the future and that he’s guilty until proven innocent. Granted, he has one of the best defense attorneys in the country, but I really do think that Edward Panzer has his work cut out for him. On that note, it would be AMAZING to be able to work with Panzer.
TheRealJack: He can’t turn himself in, otherwise, who will financially support his son’s defense? I don’t know that he is, but it’s more than likely that he is doing so indirectly. Also, the U.S. government will never negotiate Vicente for El Mayo, never. It’s not going to happen and I’m positive that they both know that. Would it be something that would help his case? Again, I don’t know if that would be possible, because I don’t know that if his father were in custody, if he would actually be able to testify in Vicente’s trial, in order to clarify what level/position Vicente had in his organization.
Move: I resent the Miami Vice statement, because I live in Miami. I’M KIDDING! I agree about the movies sucking, I didn’t watch Miami Vice, but I hate wasting to hours of my life for lame ass movies. I want those wasted hours back!
Michel and Yeyo: You can’t filed Zambada-Niebla, because he’s under an assumed name. That is what they did with Peter Gotti, John Gotti’s brother in Tallahassee, we had a client that was waiting to be transferred with him, but he was under a different name so as to protect him, so they say. You can’t find Margarito and Pedro Flores either, or the guys that were convicted earlier this month in Texas. I think it’s more so due to security issues, which also why they had extra man power at his arraignment last month. But I know for a fact that he’s at MCC. I’ve heard about Cook County, I’ve seen the show on MSNBC – yes, I’m that big of a nerd. I think it’s wrong how the investigators hound the guys while they are in there.
Yeyo: Thanks for all the information! I hope what you’re saying is true. But I still think the jury is going to eat up everything the A.U.S.A. is going to serve them, they are going to find him guilty, even if there is no substantial evidence.
Vinotinto: You’re hilarious! Thank you for your compliments. Very kind and generous of you.
Ilegal: There’s no need for violence, we’re only discussing an interesting and relevant subject, everyone has their own opinion and even if it differs – it’s okay.
Rabbit: Thank you very much, you’re very kind.
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Ho hay porque.
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No hay porque.
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Rabbit: Regarding the 15 years, I’m truly sorry. There are many young guys out there that are in the position you once were. The streets are hard and it’s so easy to make mistakes, but 15 years is a bitch. And all because the government likes to take the easy way out by cutting deals with people, like the 55 year old child molester. I truly feel that it’s just as bad as committing a crime – cutting deals for the sake of a conviction. The justice system failed you and I wonder if you’re defense attorney failed you too.
I know that I have a chip on my shoulder, the size of Mount Everest, and for that reason, I guarantee you that the minute I’m sworn in to the Florida Bar, the New York Bar, the Massachusetts Bar, the U.S. District Court of Southern, Middle and Northern District of Florida and any other jurisdiction where I’m going to practice federal cases, including the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, I’m going to raise hell from the deep ocean trenches in the Atlantic ocean to the Pacific ocean. I will make sure that hell is above sea level. Who ever intends on deliberating any judgment, for judgment’s sake, feel free to do so.
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PUTTING ALL BULLSHIT ASIDE…..
I KNOW THE AMERICAN JUSTICE IS fookED UP….I’VE HAD FAMILY MEMBERS GO THROUGH IT…..
I JUST HAVE PERSONAL VENDETTA AGAINST THE ZAMBADA/ GUZMAN CREW ……..THAT’S ALL…..
END OF CONVERSATION….
P.S. MOVE I DON’T WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU…YOU’VE BEEN CALLED OUT BEFORE AND NEVER STEPPED UP AND I’M NOT REFERRING TO ILEGAL YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN…..PLAIN AND SIMPLE…….MEJOR SIGUE ESCRIBIENDO THE BIOGRAPHY DEL COCHILOCO…..
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LAW ABIDING CITIZEN: Fair enough.
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Valentina,
U need to go work for the other side for awhile to get rid of your bias.
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You want me to actually respond to internet beef D_Nephew? If only we could turn back time to when I was sixteen years old, but then again the internet was not a big thing back then.
Oh and I’m not the guy you think I am.
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Caps lock, son.
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nice read, love the site, keep up with the good work michel keep the story’s coming…
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I have 7 feloney convictions. I was guilty on every account. But worse than this, I was guilty of “1,000 felonies for each of my convictions in which I was never charged with.” This is the drug business we are talking about and people in this business can be very dirty. It took dirty cops and dirty prosecutors to get me and they did. They did what they had to do to get my rotten self of the streets. I hold no resentment toward any of them. I owe a debt of graditude for the social interventions that the criminal justice systems dealt me for without this, I would have never experienced the pain that motivated me to change. I have been clean 21 years now Valentina, have 2 masters degrees and in no way whatsoever do I feel like a victim of a bad criminal justice system. I think God it was there. Please remember this along the path of your career, “life is my greatest gift, pain my greatest lesson, for without that pain in my life, I would have never been motivated to change.” Be careful with your crusade, criminals can be very charming. I assure you I was, and could easily convince and unsuspecting lawyer of how unjust the system was to me. Remember, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. I am very liberal Valentina but just some reflective information for you. You come across too anti criminal justice which to most, seems a little naive and will close the ears you are wanting to listen to you. Don’t be so direct with your thought. You are bright, come from the side and you will be more successful.
Guilty as charged your honor and you ant got a hair on your ass if you don’t send me to prison.
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@ valentina u say the government really wants el mayo and chapo , do u really think the government really wants them , think again. money….all about money……….
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Hola, sé que este amplio. Ella solía trabajar en las calles de Tijuana. ¿No era tan bueno. se trasladó a Ciudad Juárez y no es mejor. Ella ama a los cárteles. Reclamación de El Chapo Guzmán es su hermano …
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@ Valentina
I am going to be honest with you, I am not much of an online reader of “over a page content”…rather read a book. But because this was something different to what I am accustomed to reading about the guy (the same headlines over and over again on different sites), I am in suspense with all the info from everyone here. Eventually, I’m hooked on this blog and have gotten the curiousity for further research. Which takes me the following points:
(By the way, congrats on all your feedback be it true or not – very informative and helpful for future reference!)
1.- He is on bop.gov (mispelled name).
2.- He is segregated. Does that mean that he is allowed mail, visits and calls still?
3.- Also, I was researching bop.gov and found out that they do background checks for visitors and callers…curiousity…if you receive calls or visit or correspond with an inmate…is there a risk of getting involved in the case, in any way?
4.- Stupid question now…if you did not know the inmate before he/she was encarcerrated, will MCC still allow you to visit him/her? (This will do an excellent research paper topic! LOL!)
5.- Honestly…out of all the Cartels that exist and have fallen apart the Mayo Zambada one has apparently always been united, no desintegration here no matter what. Knowone is going is going to turn themselves in for anybody and nobody is going to rat out anybody and live to tell anything to the jurors…according to the rules of the Cartels (a movie that gives a little insight on this is “Traffic”). Which takes me to my next comment:
6.- Someone in earlier comments wrote something like: “the corruption is the same in the US or even worse than in Mexico, but at a much more higher level and at a higher price…..”? I can reassure that this is true, since I had the opportunity to work abroad for the Mexican government. I believe everybody is pitching in $$$ to help this guy out and that all the mexican, colombian, european, etc. affiliates of him are and will be using all their knowledge and power to help this guy out. Why? because: “You scratch my back today and I’ll scratch yours tomorrow.” And you don’t have to be a cartel member to abide by that golden rule in society.
In conclusion, there are US, Mexican, European, etc. individuals and organizations that have interests. We are part of a ‘chain reaction.’ ‘For every action, there is a reaction of equal or higher proportion.’ Therefore, until the Zambada-Niebla trial ends, we won’t know exactly how much power and faith (spiritually, speaking) this guy really has. Maybe he will end up as “the power combination of guzman, mayo, and the others?” Maybe he supervised his father’s operations or in reality he was already running his own cartel’? And ultimately, cannot be blamed for any of the Guzman’s and Mayo’s operations? Hmmm…speaking of blame…I wonder what witnesses and what evidence is actually going to make it to the court room? No substantial evidence, no witnesses, no shows here and there…? Hmmm….I’m exited to see the finale of this. While ‘corruption’ is roaming around this file and others, you never know what’s next…
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100!!!!! ooops I did it again…
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@Valentina do your job dont worry about the other side because you will loose you pasion and a good lawyer is driven by that without that passion it becomes just another 9 to 5 type job.
@sta de ochun
Can you please shed some light as to the mispelling or where it is in his name.Any ways Mayos cartel has had alot of splits hence the Beltran-Leyva crew used to be part of his crew you couls say.I belive that if they where to allow you to visit him (which I doubt they will until the case is wrapped up) as long as you wouldnt tamper with the case you should be ok,but I would assume his lawyer would not want him talking to anybody regarding his case just yet.
@TRC
You are an inspiration two masters!!7 felonies!!! I am a firm believer that your past can be left behind and forgotten if you take the time to educate yourself and show soceity that you are willing to change and better yourself keep up the good work.
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Mira, he carries the gene of the bad seed. Que se lo chingen. Nobody gives a fat f+@ck! The bad seed carries the blood of thousands, sea jefe, hijo, o jo de petunia. La mierda that runs wild in Mexico will be stopped, it may take many years, pero no ganan. Mierda stinks, always has and always will. Vicentito can wear the finest of colognes pero he still smells of mierda, its in the genes, hoss. Que se lo chingen, the world will be a better place.
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If I was king, Id put all these putos on an island, the maximum sentence would be only 5 years no matter the charge. On this island they would have to plant their own food, harvest their own food and strive to exist for 5 years. If they die or someone else on the island se los chihuahuan, well thats ok. you make it after 5 years, welcome back to civilization, pinche! My guess is the majority would knock themselves off, stealing food, and all that crap. This chihuahuareda are society throwbacks, hoss. Valen madre, let them survive onthe island with nothing but their hands and minds, that sir is justice. 5 years no mas, caramba that would be heaven.
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@YeYo
Took much research time…then, I thought ” knowing the gringos, I should just play around switching the letters around! LOL!” Here you go: JESUS VICENTE ZAMBADA-NIELBA. Oh, and by unity of the cartel, I meant family. I do not have knowledge of any of his family members runnig out and doing their own thing.
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@ dart vato
Gee! Chill out! Your worse than the earlier guys arguing! Don’t make this forum sound like “Laura en America” or “Jerry Springer Show” with “I want to kill a narco episode.” Like Ye-yo said Dios es muy grande y neta que si sale Vicente, it’s because he still has some good to do out there. Did you know that he’s helped many kids and poor people in different parts of Mexico??? Anywho, that’s besides the point.
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T_R_C: For Karma’s sake, I really think that you should confess to the “1,000 felonies” you were never charged and convicted for. There’s probably millions of drug addicts thanks to your business and God knows how many drug overdoses thanks to your influence. Bravo, maestro, bravo! Is that, “from the side,” enough for ya? In all seriousness, it’s good that you’re keeping yourself clean, because drugs are for the weak and the kind of people that can’t cope with life. Thanks for your advice by the way; I’ll reserve it as a mental note. Or, not.
Johnny: I’m with you on that one, money does a hell of a lot of talking. But I don’t know how much talking it’s doing right now.
STA DE OCHUN: Ummm… No offense, but you scare me a little. Actually, you scare me a lot. And I’m only scared of the dark and lizards (because they walk). But I’m willing to answer your questions.
1- I don’t think he’s there, but if you found “him.” It may not be him, it may be someone with the same name, so make sure you’re not writing to the wrong person, that would be hilarious, but it would infinitely suck for you.
2- He probably is in a cell all by himself, so he may or may not get any correspondence (I’m sure he gets his legal mail), but if he is segregated, he’s definitely not getting any visits or calls. At this point, prior to his trial, he’s only going to talk to his lawyers and meet with his lawyers about his pending trial.
3- I don’t know why you’re asking this question in particular. If you’re intending to have any communication with any inmate in federal custody, then the BOP can search whatever the hell they want, their specialty is background checks. And for your sake, they do record calls, every blissful minute of them. Seriously, you scare the hell out of me.
4- No. You can’t visit someone you’ve never met. It doesn’t matter if you’ve met him in your dreams – that doesn’t count. And this is a horrible research topic. It’s not a good idea; it’s actually a very bad one and it may not work out, but good luck with that.
5- Stop watching movies. And don’t do anything that people get away in movies. I’m pretty sure that it doesn’t work in real life. As for El Mayo Zambada, my interests in the Sinaloa cartel are the criminal cases that are taking place in federal courtrooms across the country. I’m not looking to figure out his executive and administrative tactics. I don’t intend to figure out how he’s remained in power for the past 3 or even 4 decades, everything is unraveling as we speak and that’s where the action is. How it falls into place at the end of each case, that’s what I want to know.
6- Again, I don’t really care for figuring out who may or may not be scratching someone’s back, especially if that back is Mexican, Columbian, or European. Personally, I don’t like back scratching, you never really know if you’re going to get scratched or stabbed. I don’t know what golden rule you’re referring to.
The U.S. government is taking issues with the Mexican cartels very seriously, because the president wants to derail the attention on the economy, or lack there of, and his health care plan. If you notice the time line, hell kind of fell apart for the Sinaloa cartel when Guzman showed up on Forbes, which was a slap on the face of the United States government. You can’t slap a power house and then spit on it by also coming up in the list of the most power men in the world. Are there many entities at risk if Zambada-Niebla is convicted? Perhaps there is, perhaps there isn’t anything substantial. And if there is, will he put everyone and anyone at risk if things don’t turn out with a favorable outcome during his federal case, meaning an acquittal? Well, we’ll just have to see about that. I really don’t think this will be that big of a domino effect and if it does turn out to be that catastrophic, then we’ll probably know because an atomic bomb will go off in Mexico and near the border and Mexico probably won’t be on the map any longer. And that’s going to suck for all the rich kids in New York, California and Miami, because they won’t be able to buy their product if Mexico’s not on the map (made in Columbia, through Mexico and into the U.S.).
Listen, I apologize in advance for my sarcasm. In all seriousness, consult with a lawyer, a criminal lawyer, before you get yourself involved in something you did not intend to involve yourself in. Federal facilities are no joke, Zambada-Niebla may not get his hands on his correspondence after it’s been opened up by the staff, but somebody else will. And that’s quite alarming, not to mention frightening. That’s all I have to say about that.
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Hey Michel, you got the the comments going with this post. Did you know she was so naive and silly in her thinking? If so, you knew the shit would start, but there are a few squared away dudes posting on this one. I’m thinking her vato is a defense attorney which contributes to her gushy bias. How do you study law….criminal justice major…and already think that way? Goddamn, get in the arena and throw a few chihuahuazos in the lower courts and meet the criminals and the innocents up close and personal then move on up and rumble with the big dogs before you start throwing down the AUSA’s and the justice system. Anyway, I’m sure Valentina has an answer but she probably already said enough.
Good one Mitchel…oops I meant Michel.
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the gringos want in….MÉXICO, D.F., 20 de marzo (Proceso).- El fracaso de la estrategia militarizada de Felipe Calderón contra el narcotráfico hizo todavía más crisis: orilló al presidente de Estados Unidos, Barack Obama, a replantear sus planes de cooperación con México. Pero el asesinato de tres personas vinculadas al Consulado estadunidense en Ciudad Juárez precipitó los plazos, y Washington ahora pretende que sus servicios de inteligencia controlen la lucha contra el narco en México.
El presidente Barack Obama comenzó a presionar a su homólogo Felipe Calderón para consolidar la presencia de los servicios estadunidenses de inteligencia en México, con el objeto de que sean los principales coordinadores de la lucha contra el crimen organizado,
Documentos oficiales y declaraciones de jefes del Pentágono ante el Congreso de Estados Unidos corroboran la intención de la Casa Blanca para aplicar contra el narcotráfico mexicano las técnicas de inteligencia militar utilizadas en Irak y Afganistán, a fin de reemplazar a la fallida estrategia calderonista y favorecer el eventual repliegue del Ejército mexicano de las plazas más “calientes”.
El general Victor Eugene Renuart, jefe del Comando Norte de Estados Unidos y encargado de contener cualquier amenaza a la seguridad nacional proveniente de esta región, dijo el jueves 18 ante el Comité de Servicios Armados de la Cámara de Representantes: “El reto de México es la fusión de inteligencia con la agilidad de operativos contra un objetivo especifico de parte de los equipos altamente calificados que permitan explotar las vulnerabilidades que puedan encontrar en los cárteles de narcotráfico con la fusión de inteligencia”.
Desde la llegada de Obama a la presidencia de Estados Unidos el 20 de enero de 2009, la estrategia de cooperación con México en la lucha contra el narcotráfico se avocó a empujar a Calderón para que sustituyera el despliegue del Ejército por los operativos de inteligencia coordinados para desmantelar los cárteles de la droga.
En el Capitolio, Renuart subrayó que desde hace poco más de seis meses el Departamento de Defensa reforzó sus asesorías a las fuerzas federales mexicanas. “Hemos ampliado nuestros esfuerzos para entrenar a militares y agentes civiles en operaciones muy parecidas a las que hemos llevado a cabo en Afganistán y en Irak”, reveló el general.
Al principio se planeó aplicar la visión de Obama sobre el combate al narco en México dentro de la Iniciativa Mérida y a partir del año fiscal 2011 –que inicia el próximo 1 de octubre–, pero se transformó en una medida urgente por el asesinato, en Ciudad Juárez, de los estadunidenses Lesley A. Enríquez y su esposo Arthur H. Redelfs, así como del mexicano Jorge Alberto Salcido Cenicero, marido de otra ciudadana de Estados Unidos. Los tres estaban vinculados al Consulado General de ese país en la ciudad fronteriza de Chihuahua.
“El presidente Calderón ha estado profundamente involucrado (en la lucha contra el narcotráfico) e incluso envió al Ejército a Ciudad Juárez, pero eso no ha ayudado”, declaró el martes 17 Janet Napolitano, secretaria de Seguridad Interior del gobierno de Obama, en una entrevista con la cadena de televisión MSNBC.
Fue la primera funcionaria del gobierno de Obama que reprobó públicamente la estrategia militarizada de Calderón, lo que irritó al presidente, quien a través del su secretario de Gobernación, Fernando Gómez Mont, rechazó el señalamiento de Napolitano:
“Hay que entender el contexto y que no fue parte central de la declaración. Hay problemas de traducción, pero no acepto, por falso, que se diga que el papel de las Fuerzas Armadas en Ciudad Juárez es insustancial e insuficiente”, dijo Gómez Mont el miércoles 17, en conferencia de prensa.
Hasta el embajador de Estados Unidos en México, Carlos Pascual, intentó aplacar la molestia que causó la declaración de Napolitano: “El Ejército ha sido muy importante, se sigue necesitando su presencia en Juárez”, dijo Pascual ese mismo miércoles 17 al periódico El Universal.
El daño ya estaba hecho. Ese mismo día el Departamento de Estado anunció que su titular, Hillary Clinton, llegaba a la capital mexicana el martes 23, acompañada de una delegación de alto nivel a fin de revisar la evolución de la Iniciativa Mérida.
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Gallito: I don’t take any pleasure in resorting to personal insults. I can insult you all day long, but that is not going to change the fact that ALL hispanics, espeically Mexicans, will suffer from unfair presocutions and prejudice convictions, simply because of their nationality. My point was that Zambada-Niebla is not going to having a fair trial, if a trial goes forward and most people on the blog agree (they say so in their comments – read before you write). I don’t know if you noticed, but the conviction for Mexican is pretty high. And hispanics make up a little more than a third of the prison demographic. Also, exchanging insults with you, it won’t change the fact that the Mexican government doesn’t give a damn about their people. You don’t think it’s interesting that they decided to finally do something about the drug cartels only because the United States said, “enough.” I think it’s beyond interesting. And if by “vato” you mean, my boyfriend or significant other – I have one rule about that: I can’t get emotionally involved with another lawyer, we’ll argue all day long and that’s not fun. And I can’t get involved with another criminal defense attorney, because although we may have much in common, we’re also going to be very competitive. I speak from experience, it never works out. But I’m better off on my own anyway. As to the “smaller arina” you mentioned, please know that in a previous comment I did state that I would end up at the PD’s office (Public Defender’s office) – defending the freaking public. Again, READ BEFORE YOU WRITE. It’s lame to reiterate things. As to “throwing down the AUSAs” and the justice system – I can’t wait. It should be a challenge, but I enjoy challenges. And enough is never enough. Feel free to judge me, it’s an easy cop-out when you have no argument.
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I’d like to add to the record that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton does not play around. I wouldn’t dare thumb wrestle with her on my best day. As much as I love a good fight, I would respectively forfeit any potential fight with her, before it even begins.
So, there, you have, what all of you like to refer to as, “los gringos,” they are all over Mexico. Great job guys.
Thanks for posting the article Ilegal, it basically read: “If you guys can’t get your shit together and handle it, then we will do it for you.”
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@VIF
They are going to eat you alive. You’re insulted by what? That I think you have a silly and naive argument? That because you did some research you came up with…ALL Hispanics will recive unfair justice? The Mexican government doesn’t give a damn about its people? The MX government only took on the cartels because the US said enough? No one in the US knows or cares to research any viable details about the drug cartels? You go on and on. So now that you have done some “research” and saw some light into cartel life, figures, and stats, you can say you actually give a shit that Niebla is going to get convicted and it bothers your misguided thinking because a murderer will go to prison? Like you said…don’t get upset, it is a sign of weakness, especially by criticism. You may not win all your cases, but you can bill all the hours.
Some of your writings made sense, but very little of it. Grow up and we can talk again in 30 years. Mejico lindo…soy de alla, ando por esos rumbos, y los papeles de investigacion se hacen mas facil en persona.
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Believe me, we will not be discussing anything in 30 years. You’ll be around 100-years-old and by 54, I’m sure by then I would have already made my rounds on the papers (on a daily basis). As for being eaten alive, don’t worry too much, I can hold my own against carnivores – I don’t have to be told, what I’m already prepared for. Preperation is everything. And so you know, you don’t upset me, just because you’re older, live in Mexico, and allege wiser, doesn’t mean that you have anything important to add to Zambada-Niebla’s prosecution. He has not been charged with murder in the U.S., essentially, the U.S. government doesn’t care if he’s allegedly a” very bad guy,” because all they really want to get their hands on is the Sinaloa cartel’s money. So much for justice or deliverance.
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Pleas remeber to look at the top of the page where it says donations and send Mr,Marizco some money so he can keep the site running and continue his great work!!!
P.S.I would bet every dollar in my pocket right to anybody that Isabella is a FOX!!! as we like to say.Whhoooowiiee gurrl..Cmon Isabella tell us the truth you is sexy as hell right Mami??
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I would never ever call a person passionate about their work, nieve or stupid. Valentina is passionate. Good for her. Some of you guys talk so tough. That is stupid. Threatening people on line is about the most cowardly thing I’ve ever seen.
@TRC
I am always inspired by your words, but, my friend, I was a little surprised that you talk about guilt based on committing other crimes. Are you saying that if the government railroads someone, ots ok because he was guilty for something sometime? Bro, that’s a little scary. The founding fathers originally created our constitution to protect people from tirany and intrusion. What I took from your comment says something more on the line of communism. I know you are a smart dude and have educated yourself. I respect your insight, but your comment shook me.
@ Johnny, you got that right, the whole thing is about money.
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Valentina, I think you may be a law student, but not yet a lawyer. No lawyer I know would waste all their time writing essay length blogs. Heck most of us knows what happens if you incorporate them in conversation on a five minute phone call. Justice is justice, we probably all agree on that. But would you really go to the Jews to tell them how the Nazis have rights too?
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@ Felicia
You are comparing apples and oranges. Are you you comparing narco trafficers to what the nazis did to the jews? If you are, I feel sorry for the people you prosecute. That’s some harsh shit, Girl!
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My point is trying to find sympathy for the rights of the Cartel, from those who have been there victims is not going to happen. It is always the people who have no concern of rights for others, that yell the loudest about their own rights. Yes, I do see just as much horror going on in parts of Mexico. Gas Chambers/ 450+ women mutilated laying in the desert. Do you really think Hitler was more vicious than what we ourselves have been witnessing?
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If I’m not mistaken I mentioned I work for a lawyer, in a previous post. And that eventually I would probably go straight to the PD’s office in Miami right out of law school, so that alone, should have given you several hints as to my current position towards my future profession. And I’m only entertaining comments about my post which apparently was only posted in order to be further criticized and essentially crucified, along with Zambada-Niebla.
And now the comments have veered in my direction and have taken a personal stance. I stand by my words, I won’t back down. Anyone who stands in a federal courtroom deserves a fair trial – including Nazis. We’re not even down with the Mexicans and you already what to start with the Germans? I would stay away from international relations if I were you, Europe, in particular, is whole other monster. As for my “essay length blog comments,” no one is forcing you to read them and I’m not sure if you notice, but I do have a way with words. I must say, I’m a very lucky girl, extremely fortunate. I do a lot with the little I have, I know my assets and I make good use of them. Rare for a woman, don’t you agree? I would agree.
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I have to agree with the assets part and alot of your thoughts about JR not getting a fair trial but like I stated before a jury is made up of random people and can not have people involved that already have a pre concieved notion about who he is Ms.Valentina.That is up to his lawyer to detrmine if the jury is suitable for his client but suburban soccer moms in cook county or regular joes dont know who he is all they know is that he is Mexican.In my opinion he will have one.The part about him being Mexican can not play a role because that would render the ultimate verdict unsuitable due to a faulty jury so it would be in the best intrest of his lawyer and the state to make good chioces as to who gets to judge him.Not only that but correct me if I am wrong a jurys verdict can not be revrsed by a judge therefore if the jury finds pitty in him all though guilty of his crimes and decides to cut him some slack he could walk away a free man all though highly unlikely.
I hope my comment of you being a fox didnt bother you it wasnt meant to offend you I love to see a young latino or latina gett somwhere in life and it looks like you are doing well for yourself if you are who I think you are.
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Once again, no one is asking or begging for sympathy, chose your words wisely. I’m talking about my realm, not Mexico, I’m talking about what happens in a federal courtroom. You’re judging my position, based on your personal experience, which has nothing to do with the federal case that is going to unravel in the next couple of months. Stop crying and complaining and do something about your country, so that you can be proud of your people and their solidity. Listen, if I wanted to be thought of as a victim my entire life, it would be very easy. But I don’t care for simplicity. Victimization does nothing for anyone. The horror, in your words, in Mexico is due to the lack of education, the lack of resources, and the lack of real stability for the everyday people. You’re very lucky that you had proper or at least a substantial amount of education in a country like Mexico. But unlike you, many don’t have that opportunity. Is there anything that you do that can make a change in Mexico? Do you provide your time to give poverty stricken children a chance to learn that there are other paths in life that they can take? You can do a lot and even if it changes the life of a five-year-old, technically a potential drug trafficker in the future, it changes everything. But nothing is going to change, because no one does anything about it.
Do you think I complained when I got mugged 4 years ago? Was I upset that targeted me, because 1) I’m a woman, 2) I’m very young, and 3) He thought I was weak, of course I was upset, I was beyond livid. But I was more upset at the reason he felt it was necessary to attack me, because he’s ignorant and needed easy money. And as personal as that was, as violated as I felt, even he deserved a fair trial, but he didn’t go the distance, because no one in their right mind would go to trial with a witness of my caliber. And no, I don’t feel victimized, I probably shouldn’t have been buy toothpaste at 12 AM.
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Yeyo: Your comment didn’t offend me and thank you for your words. You’re very mindful. Youth and beauty is a powerful asset and it can get you places, but it’s not an asset that will last me a life time, so I dedicate a lot of my time to the only asset I hold that will, in fact, last me a good while – my intellect (knowledge is powerful). External beauty withers with time.
As for that young latino/latina making it, she already made it! Her name is Jutice Sonia Sotomayor. I have her TIME cover hanging on my wall. She is truly an inspiration to us all. And my proudest moment will be the day I stand before Justice Sotomayor in her courtroom for an oral argument on any given case, it’s a day I will always look forward to. A day I dream about. Again, thank you very much for your kind words, I do appreciate them.
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@Valentina
YOU SAID: “No offense, but you scare me a little. Actually, you scare me a lot. ”
–>[I do not find a reason to be scared, your or I, for that matter, not at this point of y(our) comments and in this site specially...you never know who's reading...]
YOU SAID:”I don’t think he’s there, but if you found “him.” It may not be him, it may be someone with the same name…”
–>[I doubt that it wouldn't be him. Plus, it would be too much coincidence to find someone with the same 4 names and also held in federal custody at the same place.
YOU SAID: "I don’t know why you’re asking this question in particular. If you’re intending to have any communication with any inmate in federal custody, then the BOP can search whatever the hell they want, their specialty is background checks. And for your sake, they do record calls, every blissful minute of them. Seriously, you scare the hell out of me.
-->[Question was asked out of curiousity, which I did state, initially, before commenting. Intent to communicate? Not really, just plan to see with my own eyes how my hypothesis turns into a conclusion. Background checks? Good for them, they're reassuring security for themselves and others. It's not like I am linked to the guy, his organization or even his line of work! Being a member of a religious group...heck, I would just see him, to give him a little cheer, a little hope. In reality, what it comes down to, is that everyone involved is guilty in some way some how, but only one is being judged. Oh! And it doesn't mean that someone, out of all, is going to get blamed or punished directly. Have that in mind.
YOU SAID: "No. You can’t visit someone you’ve never met..."
-->[Again, you can, just do a quick overview of the Visitor Regulations on the BOP.GOV website]
YOU: “Stop watching movies. And don’t do anything that people get away in movies. I’m pretty sure that it doesn’t work in real life. As for El Mayo Zambada, my interests in the Sinaloa cartel are the criminal cases that are taking place in federal courtrooms across the country. I’m not looking to figure out his executive and administrative tactics. I don’t intend to figure out how he’s remained in power for the past 3 or even 4 decades, everything is unraveling as we speak and that’s where the action is. How it falls into place at the end of each case, that’s what I want to know.”
–>[Some movies are based on true stories, but my comment is based on the reality that the media has covered in both Mexico and the US, as well as, the reality that I have seen and heard myself through my family and friends, that work for Mexican and US governments, which are all associated, at the end, with some cartel, somehow. How the Mayo guy works or anyone other Capo, for sure, nobody knows, but the present is a reflection of the past, and no big shot in any part of the world is alone and has knowone to watch his/her back, even Hillary Clinton herself! (A woman to admire). Times have changed apprarently, but, they really haven't. PEOPLE ARE STILL BEING BOUGHT, SOLD AND TRADED.
YOU: "Again, I don’t really care for figuring out who may or may not be scratching someone’s back, especially if that back is Mexican, Columbian, or European. Personally, I don’t like back scratching, you never really know if you’re going to get scratched or stabbed. I don’t know what golden rule you’re referring to.
-->[LOL! The only being that doesn't stab you is God (if your religious) because, even you, can stab yourself! Frankly, I don't think that Attorney Panzer was not hired because of his extensive knowledge in the subject of Criminal Law. I think he's there because of who he knows, who he has defended and what the outcomes of his cases have been. Do some research on his cases, his affiliates and their backgrounds and you'll get somewhat of an idea of how everything is going to fall into place at the end...]
YOU: “The U.S. government is taking issues with the Mexican cartels very seriously, because the president wants to derail the attention on the economy, or lack there of, and his health care plan.”
–>[I agree, that’s always been a tactic of the government. But, I must add that it is also an action based on a fear of possible future affiliations with other enemies that can eventually ignite a WWIII or something close to it. Too many Central and South American countries oppose US government ideas and actions. Consequently, this is how international relations among different countries are affected and somewhere down the line…THAT’S WERE THE INTERESTS LIE! (hint)
YOU: “If you notice the time line, hell kind of fell apart for the Sinaloa cartel when Guzman showed up on Forbes, which was a slap on the face of the United States government. . And that’s going to suck for all the rich kids in New York, California and Miami, because they won’t be able to buy their product if Mexico’s not on the map (made in Columbia, through Mexico and into the U.S.).
–>[LOL! Atomic bomb? Nah. That’s not even a WWIII scene, that’s an End of Days scene, where you wouldn’t live to comment about; and Mexico? Who said it’s the only possible route? There’s a really good friend of Mexico out there in the sea called CUBA, which by the way is a really good enemy of the US. Here “I kill 2 birds with one stone.” Cuba has interests, cuba has always had a plan, cuba has always been waiting for a special moment, cuba will do anything that means ‘screwing the US.’ Even if that means being part of a new smuggling route, financing an underwater freaking tunnel or even influencing other countries to pull out their investments, business and support from the US. Ultimately, causing a collapse of the stock market, a raise of prices of goods that will no longer be easy to acquire, etc. etc. etc. again a chain reaction.
In conclusion, everyone can be bought, traded or sold to satisfy the needs of the individuals or organizations involved. Posing a threat to future/ongoing plans and personal interests is enough reason to act accordingly. You know…”You do me wrong, I do you wrong” kind of thing?
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@Valentina
[I do not find a reason to be scared, your or I, for that matter, not at this point of y(our) comments and in this site specially...you never know who's reading...]
[I doubt that it wouldn't be him. Plus, it would be too much coincidence to find someone with the same 4 names and also held in federal custody at the same place.
[Question was asked out of curiousity, which I did state, initially, before commenting. Intent to communicate? Not really. Background checks? Good for them, they're reassuring security for themselves and others. It's not like I am linked to the guy, his organization or even his line of work! Being a member of a religious group...heck, I would just see him, to give him a little cheer, a little hope. In reality, what it comes down to, is that everyone involved is guilty in some way some how, but only one is being judged. Oh! And it doesn't mean that someone, out of all, is going to get blamed or punished directly. Have that in mind.
"No. You can’t visit someone you’ve never met..."
[Again, you can, just do a quick overview of the Visitor Regulations on the BOP.GOV website]
“Stop watching movies….”
[Some movies are based on true stories, but my comment is based on the reality that the media has covered in both Mexico and the US, as well as, the reality that I have seen and heard myself through my family and friends, that work for Mexican and US governments, which are all associated, at the end, with some cartel, somehow. How the Mayo guy works or anyone other Capo, for sure, nobody knows, but the present is a reflection of the past, and no big shot in any part of the world is alone and has knowone to watch his/her back, even Hillary Clinton herself! (A woman to admire). Times have changed apprarently, but, they really haven't. PEOPLE ARE STILL BEING BOUGHT, SOLD AND TRADED.
"Personally, I don’t like back scratching, you never really know if you’re going to get scratched or stabbed..."
[LOL! The only being that doesn't stab you is God (if your religious) because, even you, can stab yourself! Frankly, I don't think that Attorney Panzer was not hired because of his extensive knowledge in the subject of Criminal Law. I think he's there because of who he knows, who he has defended and what the outcomes of his cases have been. Do some research on his cases, his affiliates and their backgrounds and you'll get somewhat of an idea of how everything is going to fall into place at the end...]
“The U.S. government is taking issues with the Mexican cartels very seriously, because the president wants to derail the attention on the economy, or lack there of, and his health care plan.”
[I agree, that’s always been a tactic of the government. But, I must add that it is also an action based on a fear of possible future affiliations with other enemies that can eventually ignite a WWIII or something close to it. Too many Central and South American countries oppose US government ideas and actions. Consequently, this is how international relations among different countries are affected and somewhere down the line…THAT’S WERE THE INTERESTS THIS VICENTE FELLOW LIE! (hint)
“If you notice the time line, hell kind of fell apart for the Sinaloa cartel when Guzman showed up on Forbes, which was a slap on the face of the United States government. . And that’s going to suck for all the rich kids in New York, California and Miami, because they won’t be able to buy their product if Mexico’s not on the map (made in Columbia, through Mexico and into the U.S.).
[LOL! Atomic bomb? Nah. That’s not even a WWIII scene, that’s an End of Days scene, where you wouldn’t live to comment about; and Mexico? Who said it’s the only possible route? There’s a really good friend of Mexico out there in the sea called CUBA, which by the way is a really good enemy of the US. Here “I kill 2 birds with one stone.” Cuba has interests, cuba has always had a plan, cuba has always been waiting for a special moment, cuba will do anything that means ‘screwing the US.’ Even if that means being part of a new smuggling route, financing an underwater freaking tunnel or even influencing other countries to pull out their investments, business and support from the US. Ultimately, causing a collapse of the stock market, a raise of prices of goods that will no longer be easy to acquire, etc. etc. etc. again a chain reaction.
In conclusion, everyone can be bought, traded or sold to satisfy the needs of the individuals or organizations involved. Posing a threat to future/ongoing plans and personal interests is enough reason to act accordingly. You know…”You do me wrong, I do you wrong” kind of thing?
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@Isabella
My lady friend is also a criminal justice major at U of M up north and she also is a big fan of MrsSotomayor as well as Mrs. Day O’conner. Both for diffrent reasons as you might already know. Mrs.Sotomayor is not young but I do understand wher you are comming from with this..She is also quite easy on the eyes and thinks the same about he superficial features as opposed to her intellect all though as a man I have to say they rival each other and I admire both.So with that said I totally understand where your comming from and would like to wish you the best in your endeavours and maybe one day you can make it to the big stage like Mrs. Sotomayor.
On another note the key Zambada JR case is pitty from the jury threw the created notion by his lawyers that he was manipulated by a money hungry father as a youth and therefore suffered pchycological problems causing him to become the man that he is.Unless his lawyer somehow can muster up enough evidence to prove his inoccence (wich I doubt) the best case scenario is that somehow he either gets a reduced sentance by pitty or by cooperating with the goverment other than that there is no such thing as a fair trial for somone that is guilty as charged because the only fairness in that is that he goes to jail.
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Something tells me the CIA is heavily involved in the cartels operations in Mexico. Unlike in the 70′s & 80′s, we have no idea who the Columbian cartels are anymore & that’s how the Columbian organizations like it.
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Algo me dice que la CIA está muy involucrado en las operaciones de los cárteles en México. A diferencia de los 70′s & 80′s, no tenemos idea de que los cárteles colombianos forman más y así es como las organizaciones precolombinas gusta.
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Sotomayor? Watch out for Hillary? Lawyers? Damn this sounds way to liberal, ya ni chihuahuan. Ustedes liberals live in fantasy land…if only…..when……like it should…….si fuera……..dream…….I bet you think the terrorists should be treated like criminals. Son miedra, war crap…..ya ni chihuahuan…….Im not going to let Rudolph and the reindeer play with you guys……
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@ El Bastardo
Totally in agreement with you. Evidence? CIA is made up of “intelligent” individuals and “sophisticated” technology and “extensive” knowledge…correct? Wouldn’t be simple to trace calls, trace vehicles and individuals and find out their whereabouts? Hack into emails, cell phones, etc.? Darn! If I was geek I would probably being doing all that just the fun of it, no harm done! Whether there is a privacy act or not, who cares? Is a cartel going to sue or countersue the government agencies for invading their privacy for the purpose of court evidence? C’mon! If someone found Saddam Hussein in a freakin’ hole, I’m pretty sure they can find a cartel member, that is, if someone wanted to. But, they’re smart enough to know, not to do so, because they would probably never make it back home alive…
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Didn’t I apologize for being sarcastic in advance? Sarcasm: remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride (courtesy of dictionary.com). I do apologize for my cutting remarks, I didn’t mean to cruel. And you’re totally right about anyone reading this blog, I’m almost positive Quentin Tarantino is somewhere out there writing up a storm about Mexican cartels as his next screenplay. I’m not kidding Tarantino’s dialogue is unbelievable, I personally like when the Wolf says, “Cause you are a character, doesn’t mean you have got character.” I took your advice and watched Traffic, real good movie, and I must add, Catherine Zeta-Jones – absolutely exquisite! I know, I know, I’m a bias brunette, but as an honorary brunette, she is stunning. Honestly, I don’t know what’s going on in Chicago, so if I was in your position (and I’m being very sincere) be careful about what you send him. For the starters whatever you mail him, given his value to the U.S. Department of Justice, a copy of your letters will be copied and added to his file at the U.S. Attorneys office in Chicago and Washington, D.C., I’m only telling you this so that you don’t compromise his defense. It’s never good to upset someone’s apple cart, especially if you don’t know what’s going on and what’s going to happen within the next couple of months. If you want to send him a card to cheer him up, I suppose that’s okay, I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt to keep his spirits up in order to get through his trial. That would actually be very nice of you. I mean, I wouldn’t, but if it’s just a quick message, I’m sure it won’t harm anything. But then again, I don’t understand why you would want to cheer him up after deliberately stating, “It’s not like I am linked to the guy, his organization or even his line of work!” Umm, I don’t know about you, but that kinda sounded like, “Shoot! It’s not like I’m a damn drug trafficker like him!” I mean, in a previous message to Dart Vato you were defending his character, by stating, “Vicente, it’s because he still has some good to do out there. Did you know that he’s helped many kids and poor people in different parts of Mexico???” Why would you call him and family out and practically say that “his line of work,” is that of a drug trafficker, I mean, I really don’t know any other line of work you could have been referring to. By the way, my atomic bomb comment was pure sarcasm, actually, my entire freaking response to you was sarcastic, every word of it. It bother’s me that you didn’t get it, but I guess I shouldn’t have overestimated your intelligence. In any event, it’s interesting how you’re looking forward to World War III unleashing in Mexico, I’m not even Mexican, and I would never find anything remotely amusing about entertaining a world war being unleashed because of El Mayo Zambada’s son. That’s truly a horrible outlook. How about you take your researching skills and do some reading, actually, an extensive amount of reading on World Wars I and II. I’m telling you, as a future mother, any potential world war is not the kind of atmosphere I want for my children or for children around the world. As for Cuba, don’t go there, I live in the second capital of Cuba, which is Miami, Florida. You don’t have to tell me who is not sitting pretty with who, I read the New York times on a daily basis, in the words of President Kennedy, “I don’t think the intelligence reports are all that hot. Some days I get more out of the New York Times.” Back to Cuba, I think Castro isn’t going to last that long, his brother, the sitting president of Cuba and less aggressive version of Castro himself, props him up like a puppet takes pictures and then releases them to the public. In order to let the world know that Fidel Castro is still alive, and on that note, the only person that has the right to have an interest in anything is Fidel Castro, because technically he owns Cuba. It’s so sad that such an intelligent and powerful men is going to die and will leave behind nothing meaning full in the world. He never gave a damn about his people and the repetuniation Cuba has internationally, I know many Cuban Americans that are not totally and completely jaded and that have provided a lot to my community, and those people are the ones that should have been governing Cuba. And about Cuba being a “good enemy of the U.S.,” it may be a foe, but it will never be a worthy opponent. Let see, what else, regarding “underwater freaking tunnel,” unless the tunnel is underneath the ocean’s floor (which in and of itself is an impossibility, because the crust is right underneath and it’s composed of granitic and basaltic rocks), it’s never in a million years going to work, unless the ocean disappears or something. Because the ocean’s floor regenerates itself, it would be beyond impossible to build a tunnel or anything along those lines. Additionally, the U.S. government has enlisted oceanographers for all kinds of tasks, including monitoring the ocean by using satellites. And let’s not forget the U.S. Navy, which is there to protect our waters. Didn’t they arrest several men in a submarine attempting to bring their cargo in through the Pacific Ocean, or the Gulf of Mexico? I’m pretty sure I read about that sometime ago. In any event, to even consider building any kind of “underwater tunnel,” that person, assuming it’s a man, would have to have the balls the size of Texas and a bank account the size of China to even consider that anything of that magnitude is possible. Honestly, by saying ridiculous comments of that degree, you’re making all women look very bad and particularly mindless. Try to think before you write. I think you should do some soul searching, perhaps some meditation – you definitely need some clean air circulating through out your brain. Oh, before I forget, in case you’re contemplating doing this, don’t scratch your back with a knife, because you’ll definitely get cut. I’m so sorry, I couldn’t help myself. Frankly, I prefer deep tissue massages.
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STA DE OCHUN: “Wouldn’t be simple to trace calls, trace vehicles and individuals and find out their whereabouts? Hack into emails, cell phones, etc.?”
To answer your question, without a warrant from a judge, that is illegal and, thus, any evidence gathered is tainted and inadmissible in a trial.
“Darn! If I was geek I would probably being doing all that just the fun of it, no harm done! Whether there is a privacy act or not, who cares?”
The action in your above comment is illegal and a lot of hackers get arrested for doing just that. You would probably end up doing 2 to 3 years in federal prison.
Dude, for someone who does “research” and a lot of “reading,” you’re pretty mindless.
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Correction, if any law enforcement entity, being the DEA, U.S. Marshals, or any local investigators conduct searches without a proper search warrant singed by a judge, then it’s unconstitutional (not illegal). And the evidence will be inadmissible in court. That’s what I meant.
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“I’m not even Mexican, and I would never find anything remotely amusing about entertaining a world war being unleashed because of El Mayo Zambada’s son”.
I assume from this statement that if you were Mexican you would find it amusing to have a world war being unleashed because of El Mayo Zambada’s son?
Mike….next article please.
You need more pictures/videos.
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Please excuse me if I seem argumentative. I keep a lot of my views to myself. From an ex-cons point of view, things are way different than a lay person. Be glad if you never have seen your best friend murdered in State prison. You see, I had two sentences running consecutive. One from the state and one from the feds. Google the name Chris Wathen. He was one of my best friends murdered at Dakota Unit, in Yuma, Az. I left the state prison from Dakota unit. That is what’s called gladiator school. Its high security level 4 yard. I went to a federal yard from there that was a piece of cake. So for any of you that think that I have not been around the big leagues, think again. I also did a stay in the States special management unit (S.M.U.). I have lived nightmsres that most of you should be glad you have never seen.
From my stand point, to hear people threaten people or compare narco traffiking to what the Nazis did to the jews, I am really bothered by it. Where I am from, you don’t threaten, you just act (for every action there is a reaction). I hope a lot of you never come face to face with your words. That’s when the rude awakening is too late.
@Felicia
I understand what you mean when you talk about the unspeakable acts happening in Mexico. But are you blaming the muders of these woman in Juarez on narco trafficers? I don’t know if that’s true. But I will say that what is happening down there needs to end. I didn’t mean to single you out to set strait, but I was a narco trafficer. Comparing me to a jew murdering Nazi is really harsh. Most of the narco deaths are drug gang against drug gang. There isn’t much of a victim there. They chose their life, just like I did. But it is all senseless.
I payed for my crimes with prison time. I don’t cry about it. I live with it everyday. I look the part, I am sleeved with prison tatoos. But I can’t comprehend the mindset wishing that on someone. I am a scared soul. Bones rattle in my closet everyday. The only thing I can do to clense the filthiness from my soul, is try to educate people. Choosing the path I’ve been on, sucks bad. My bad choices cost me dearly. That’s why I speak out on here regularly. It makes me feel better.
So to all of you that threaten people on this site. Rethink your words carefully. Empty threats are anoying and make all of you look like pussies. Reading that shit sucks. Be productive. Do something in your community. Or, do what someone suggested earlier, read a damn book.
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Sunny Reply:
May 18th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
I wrote to Chris for years never meeting him. I looked on line to see if I could find anything about his family and lady but nothing. I have an old tape that he made me of him playing the guitar and lots of poems and such… I would like to pass them on to anyone who knew him and would appreciate it.
-Sunny
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@ Valentina
Where your sarcasm begins and where it ends is vague. So I must only assume what you say is “true.” Like I said, CURIOUSITY, is what made me ask the questions in the 1st place. Even if me or the Pope intended to communicate with the Zambada guy do you really think we would be commenting anything related to his trial or the media or this freakin’ blog? I don’t think so! It would all be spiritual! Why would anybody want to cheer up the guy? Why would anybody give a damn about the guy – same restated question. There are 2 judges: judge re: law and a judge re: life. In both cases, I think you have a right to an attorney and the right for a fair trial, guilty or innocent. Not only him, but anybody that has a risk of being in prison for many years, for x reason, should have the right to repent, have his/her good and bad actions, throughout life, weighed, and/or have a second chance, religiously speaking. Oh! And stop the crazy talk about being connected! The good deeds that he has done you can find online, through “corridos” and “media” you dumm dumm! Line of work? Meaning whatever his line of work may be…in this case, since I can almost guarantee that he is not in the teaching field (which is where I am @), then, I have no relation to the guy whatsoever! WWIII? It’s in the prophecies! I don’t look forward to any war, like you, that looks forward to a reinaction of Hiroshima. What books have to say about wars is mostly bullshit. Why doesn’t Michel get informed through books, magazines and articles only, instead of talking to people, because he would only get bullshit or vague or uncertain information! Castro? Who the hell mentioned that guy? Cuba is not Fidel, Fidel is not Cuba. Whatever happens to that guy, doesn’t mean anything, again, because he does not stand alone. Because JF Kennedy was assasinated, it didn’t mean that it was the end of his plans or his ideas…if Castro gives a damm or not about his people, who cares? Obama doesn’t care about us either? No freakin president cares about anyone except his own interests, and like I care anyway. Cuba itself might not be an enemy, but Cuba and it’s affiliates (other country governments, international mafias, etc.) yes! Regarding the idea of an underwater tunnel in the future, possible. Research on international water projects expected to begin in the next couple of years. “Con dinero, baila el perro.” So what, if the government is monitoring the ocean? They’ve monitored the Roswell thing and Iraq War and Illegal people crossing the border, as well…LOL! Ooooops! TOP SECRET INFO! LOL!
Finally, soul searching and meditation you suggest for me? Hmmmm…here’s a news flash. I am a practicioner of Santeria sweetie, So I meditate and search souls all day. I don’t want to get personal, but I’ll give some free advice, no cost to you. You need to overcome past incidents and traumas. Don’t intend to try to find in your defendants what you couldn’t have in your life. You will be at risk in finding yourself in a case where the border line between personal issues and actual case ideas is vague. If it happens, it will mean the end of your hardworked career. This takes me to my last statement…when I mentioned that “even we can backstab ourselves” is a metaphor. Meaning: we can sometimes betray ourselves by going against our own morals, ideas and teachings.
I REST MY CASE.
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STA DE OCHUN: You’re pathetic and I’m done insulting you.
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@Isabella
“To answer your question, without a warrant from a judge, that is illegal and, thus, any evidence gathered is tainted and inadmissible in a trial.
–>Hmmmm, so why hasn’t the judge granted the warrant on this case, that was prepared and monitored for years?????????????????????????????????
“The action in your above comment is illegal and a lot of hackers get arrested for doing just that. You would probably end up doing 2 to 3 years in federal prison.”
–>Hmmmm, are you aware that you can now hack without having any entity finding out you are hacking? do you have any idea how far we are in technology? And who said that person had to reside in the US…by the time they got a hold of the teenager in Iran (setting an example), the boy already got the info, passed it on and took a flight to France under a “Pepe Le Peu” name.
“Dude, for someone who does “research” and a lot of “reading,” you’re pretty mindless.”
–>Research? Yeah, researching this case and everyone involved in any way. Reading? Yeah anything pertaining again, to this case. Have no interest, at the moment, for other readings, maybe after this. Oh! Mindless? Probably in some areas, I’m not perfect and I am not a “know it all” either. We all have our areas of expertise and should always be open to criticism, ideas and supportive elements.”
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@Michel
This was a really great concept. A lot of it was educational and entertaining. However, next great idea, please. Some of this is heading south.
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I agree with Rabbit. And so that everyone knows, I’m really an FBI agent. Kidding!
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Rabbit, apologize I was thinking of more extreme things, not drug traffickers. I really personally dont care about the ‘drugs’ part, it is the beheadings, kidnappings, killing of children, selling children, torture, these things is where I am relating to other horrendous acts in history. As far as the women in the dessert, I heard 10 years ago that there were multiple reasons and people involved. But that these women being used for Zeta initiation, then raped, then used in smutt movies then organs removed, well alot of that has been the Mafia with there selling of anything sick.
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Rabbit…. I…apologize
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The fook happened here? lots of talk going on here! Puerto Penasco not a safe town???? Shheiitttt!! that place is safe as hell and there is a big difference between the Aztecas and Barrio Azteca here in El Paso, they are not really the same, i know and have fought with some of them, the media is making them to be a big threat which i personally believe is a joke. The Aztecas in Juarez well they’re a different story.
Sorry just trying to catch up here. YEYO good one on beating out Vincent Hannah for that 100 comment, and Hannah her name wasnt Juanita, it was Maria Rosario Del Cantu Vega….. lol
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@ Valentina,
Esmerelda has told several participant of this site including myself, be careful of presenting as being the “Great Oz” because when the curtain is opened we find out who he is. I thank her for that.
I find it interesting that your advise to me is “for karma’s sake” I should confess to my 1000 crimes, because of the destruction it caused yet you are so concerned that a high member of the most powerful cartel that pumps mega tons of drugs into the US gets a fair trial. This sounds a little hipocritical. That makes me visualize a thought. I wonder if the people he ordered killed got a fair trial.
I participate on this site because I am a victims advocate.
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@Rabbit,
As always, much respect. I made an attempt to bring a personal prespective to the forum that the criminal justice system does have a purpose and some good qualities. My cases were all state cases and fairly cut and dry. Most of them came before the DEA was even established and then at least they were not nearly as big as they are today.
Brother, I do understand the unlevel playing that a man has to face now in the federal court system. I am also very aware of how they can strip you of all your worldly belonging unjustly. I am also aware of what you have shared about your father and trust me, I share your pain. I lost mine to an accidental overdose when I was seven.
I however find great difficulty finding much concern over Vicente getting a fair trial when I know what kind of back up he has. He will have every suit in Chicago, several from Washington, and of course the best out of New York making sure he gets a fair trial. It will make OJs dream team look like a joke. And as I stated before, he would not have been extradited so quickly if he did not no the outcome of this trial. I still believe he will get a 20 year sentence.
I have concern and heart felt empathy for the common Joe that faces the feds, of course I do. That is not where my energy is though. Rabbit, I am on this site because I hate what is going on in Mexico and feel for the poor that are being victimized there every day.
Peace to Juarez.
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T_R_C: I’m truly sorry, I was offended by your comment, and thus, I offended you in return. My comment towards you was cruel and unfounded. I just got too many personal attacks, so I decided to retort with a negative comment in a neglectful manner and it was a low blow. I’m sure many are very appreciative for everything you do now, that’s actually real good karma.
I definitely will not be coming back to this blog for further information about anything that’s going on in Mexico. As well as further commenting on any matter. While attempting to make a point about the Justice system in the United States, people behaved in a very uncivil manner. For the record, I’m not a hypocrite, I’m very human and I choose not to judge others. If you notice whatever recommendations I made were actually about becoming more cultured and knowledgeable – it’s empowering.
I realize now, that Michael only posted my comment so as to crucified it as well, it seems as though that was is agenda. I don’t appreciate it.
Good luck in Mexico, it seems as though you guys may need more than luck.
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Ugghh! More paragraphs would make it easier to read, Valentina and STA De whatever….
@ TRC: You have life perspectives that most don’t appreciate. But unfortunately, many won’t appreciate your wisdom either until it’s too late…. or not at all.
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@ Isabella,
This site is great because of the topics and the for the most part, a very interesting array of perspectives. I never get offended at remarks. I guess I am so vain that I convence myself that I did not explain myself well (lol). Your input is very insightful and your participation and prespective is much needed.
Stay with us, we need you!
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“Viente Zambada-Niebla is going to be crucified for being his father’s son”
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Boo-Hoo-Hoo, cry me a river, his father is an animal what ever he gets he more than deserves. The son will have lots of hogh-paid attorneys thanks to his family’s blood money. If my father was a greddy, socio-pathic killer I would personally do society a favor and kill him. Anyone who has protected the drug cartel psychos is also responsible.
If my father or son were a child molester or mass murderer I would not protect him, I should , morally and legally more concerned about the victims.
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@ Isabella: “You can’t leave,.. All the plants will dIe!” (Stripes)
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Honestly, I think Isabella needs a break on the subject. “he who runs is a coward” but “he who returns to battle is a winner, whether he loses the battle or not.” If she’s a defender of her ideals like she says, she’ll come back at least to leave one more remark.
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@bella si eres de florida – sabe del caso de jose arevalo? de tucson az
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@ TRC
Got your back, Bro. I respect your wisdom.
@ Isabella
I don’t think michel was trying to crucify anyone. You did well. you stood your ground. Your input is needed. That is what makes this site interesting. We all share, for a lot of reasons.
@ felicia
I do understand what you mean. If you ever read my words in the past, you would know I totally disagree with the senseless insanity going on in Mexico. I did appreciate your honesty.
Where is esmeralda? I love her comments.
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WHATTTTT!!!!!! you guys ran off Isabella..lol.I might just take you on the offer Marizco..where should I start??
She’ll be back she might not chime in on the comments but she’ll swing by for some info here and there.. Man she was hot though!!! I hate to see such a lovley young lady catch such slack over her views but we gotta understand that she is a law student and telling a law student to think any other way than what they believe is like trying to tell a kid that santa dont exsist somtimes its better to let them find out as they grow because if you force it on them they might not like what you have to say.
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@drift
Next article we can discuss Barrio Azteca and Aztecas..Sure they aint the same group but they are the same monster same prision by laws and originally the same group that evolved into a group of sicarios for CDJ…BA is a prision gang that gained respect by protecting cartel members in jail from what I know maybe you can shed some light on that another time..
Vincent whooo???? Yo ando al 100 compa por eso es que siempre me ubico en lugar preciso..ha ha.
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@YeYo
She ran herself off dude. Having a second year law student daughter, I know exactly of what you say about trying to argue an issue with them. No entiended la realidad todavia. They are passionate of their beliefs and causes. Valentina’s problem was her ego.
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Personally I am glad Isabella is gone, it takes her too damn many words to get her point across and even then it seems shes kind of scattered.
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@ All of you,
Bola de ratas; keep chasing off my readers, that’s wonderful!
Es broma, calmado, weyes.
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Okay here is my opinion…. Chapo’s boy gets popped in mexico and spends several months in jail and is later released squeeky clean no charges.. He can now be a ligitimate business man anywhere in the world.
Soon after this, Mayo’s boy and Amado’s boy get popped. Because of operation trifecta, VZ is quickly extradited to the Unted states to stand trial. Amado’s boy VC is still in maximum security in mexico. This is how I see this playing out.
VZ will get 10-15 in a US prison have to pay heavy fines and be out by 2020 to live the life of a rish legitamate business man anywhere is the world. Why spend 10 years in a mexican prison then another 10 in US custody. Because of the diabolical father issue, No way Vicente gets more time than Osiel who got 25.
VC will spend 5 years in Mexico and maybe another 5 in the US. Get out and live the life of a legitimate business man also.
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@ TU PADRE
OMG! I think your one of the few, in any, that I agree 100% You got some in depth knowledge and common sense! Luv it! I shooting 10 for VZ! Plus, it’s a luckier number!
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Can anyone confirm a rumor that one of the Mayito Jr’s got shot in the last few days???????????
Michel?????
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total rumor…los mayitos no les a pasado nada
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I figured I updated everyone on this case……..
Found this on a Sinaloa Newspaper Site……..
El juicio contra Vicente Zambada Niebla el “Vicentillo” sufrió hoy una nueva extensión cuando fiscales y abogados defensores, solicitaran al Juez Rubén Castillo una orden que proteja informes y evidencias que existan, y así evitar que éstas se filtren y alteren el curso del proceso.
“Ambas partes consideran que si eso pasa, puede afectar estrategias que cada quien tiene”, dijo Randall Samborn, vocero del Departamento de Justicia de los Estados Unidos (DOJ).
Una vez que el Juez Castillo firme la petición, iniciaría entonces la fase de desahogo de pruebas con que ambas partes cuentan la cual, según se acordó, fue programada para el próximo 6 de Julio, abundó Samborn.
Una orden para Protección de Pruebas, establece el Código Judicial en Estados Unidos, prohíbe que, antes de iniciarse un juicio, policías, fiscales y abogados revelen o proporcionen información u ofrezcan fotos de materiales que pudieran servir como evidencia durante un juicio.
Luis Carrillo, abogado criminal del condado de Los Ángeles y quien cuenta con experiencia en casos de narcotráfico, explicó que aunque las órdenes de prohibición de pruebas no son comunes, ocurren de vez en cuando, sobretodo en casos de interés social, y son para poner candados a la hora de revelar información.
“A veces el fiscal revela datos que la defensa no quiere, inclusive, hay situaciones que investigadores informan a los medios y eso afecta el proceso de un juicio”, dijo Carrillo a Ríodoce vía telefónica.
Por lo pronto, tanto los fiscales del caso como los abogados defensores George Santangelo y Edward S. Panzer, aplicaron esa medida toda vez que declinaron comentar sobre el caso.
“No hay comentarios”, dijo lacónicamente George Santangelo en un comunicado enviado a este semanario.
Ríodoce intentó hablar con la Agencia Federal Antidrogas (DEA, por sus siglas en inglés), pero hasta el cierre de esta edición, no habían regresado los mensajes.
Vicente Zambada Niebla, de 34 años, considerado por autoridades estadounidenses como uno de los principales operadores del Cártel de Sinaloa, fue arrestado en Marzo del 2009 por agentes de la Procuraduría General de la República cuando circulaban por una zona exclusiva de la ciudad de México.
Once meses después, el 18 de febrero del 2010, el Vicentillo, quien es hijo de Ismael Zambada García el “Mayo”, presunto líder del Cártel de Sinaloa, fue extraditado y entregado al gobierno de Estados Unidos, que le había iniciado averiguaciones en Chicago y Washington DC, que lo requerían por los delitos de posesión e introducción de droga a Estados Unidos.
El 23 de Febrero del año actual, Zambada Niebla fue presentado ante una corte Federal del Norte de Chicago, en donde, una vez que se le leyeron los cargo, de declaró inocente por los delitos que tráfico de drogas.
“No culpable”, dijo en aquella ocasión El Vicentillo mientras era asesorado por sus abogados.
El Juicio contra Zambada Niebla forma parte de uno colectivo de 43 demandados que incluye acusaciones contra los supuestos narcotraficantes, entre ellos “El Mayo” y Joaquín Guzmán Loera el “Chapo”, ambos prófugos.
“Desbaratar estos peligrosos carteles y detener el flujo de drogas, armas y efectivo a través de la frontera sudoeste es una de las principales prioridades de este Departamento de Justicia”, dijo en su momento el Procurador de Justicia de Estados Unidos Eric Holder.
Valga destacar que, una vez que Zambada Niebla libre el juicio en Chicago, deberá enfrentar un Nuevo juicio, esta vez en la ciudad de Washington DC, por los mismos cargos.
En ambos delitos por los que Zambada Niebla es acusado, la pena maxima es cadena perpetua, revelaron autoridades.
Por lo pronto, reveló Samborn, Zambada Niebla, continuará recluido en una Cárcel Federal de Chicago, por lo menos mientras se continúe el proceso.
“A menos que otra cosa se nos indique, cosa que dudamos”, finalizó el vocero.
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