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May 19th, 2010 | By Michel Marizco | Category: General News, Immigration
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THE BORDER REPORT
An off-the-record (and off the cuff) comment by a New Yorker I was interviewing this morning regarding SB 1070:
“Like I’m supposed to condone a law that permits a level of law enforcement discretion that borders on fascism that has, through Morales and Papachristou, a demonstrated tendency to result in discrimination against the unpopular and undesirable, because some of you assholes down south can’t grasp that living where a wealthy nation borders a poor nation might have some negative side effects. Living in Arizona and bitching about illegals is like living next to a pig farm and complaining about the smell.”
Easy for that daisysucker to say that, living in New York, 2000 miles away from the “Pig Farm”
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I guess no curse words then. daisysucker should really be [a male rooster] sucker
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well, since the pig farm was here first, if anybody don’t like the smell, go for the natural thing to do, move the fook away from the farm and stop b!tching about the smell.
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go play intramurals brother….
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Well, in his defense… I’m kidding, he has no defense.
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Here is a link to the law regarding local law enforcement’s responsibilities when encountering suspected illegal aliens:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=2794728598+2+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
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Tantos Reply:
May 19th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Oh crap, my fault!!! That is California’s current law, which VERY similar to Arizona’s proposed law. One very notable difference is that the AZ bill explicitly prohibits solely using race/ethnicity as a determining factor for citizenship. My mistake!!!
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nada que ver, pero el secuestro del jefe diego se esta poniendo enchilosito para el chapo http://www.elagora.com.mx/El-Chapo-Guzman-tiene-a-El-jefe,24370.html
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drift Reply:
May 19th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
this could of been the stupidest thing Chapo has ever done if he’s behind it, Nachito should know that this is a business and that his time could come for any of these capos
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ilegal Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 11:29 am
oh yeah, and worst of all, the federales gueros right now must be like “wait.., what was that? Chapo being protected by Calderon? and there are people who can prove it…?”
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I like the quote..
..But this guy is New York and the problen isnt that big of a deal up there.
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JrMaFia Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 10:10 am
dude we got mexicans running wild over here. Street gangs and such but one thing i gotta say about most of the mexicans here is they only mostly mess with other mexicans, and most work alot of jobs. They also were formed from protection from the black street gangs. I know some people that used to rob people and they told me mexicans were the best to rob because they carry cash.
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Yeah I know what you mean but Mexican Americans are not what I was talking about..Nor was the person being quoted..I believe he was talking about the immigration problem in the border states..
I know of a handfull strictly Mexican Gangs in NYC…La Raza the street gang not the sissys chit in CA started in Chicago and established chapters in NYC to protect the paisas being robbed by the PRs and Morenos becuase they used to catch them comming out of bodegas just as soon as they cashed their checks.Hispanic American Gangs have turned on each other and are constantly at war but they should organize to protect thier people in my opinion. Vatos Locos, La Raza,St James Boys, Traviesos ect ect, all reside in NYC there is an estimated 30 strictly Mexican American gangs in that city…I can tell you one thing that the only gang with a solid structure in that city are the Latin Kings all the rest including the Bloods are just a bunch of nomads and wouldnt do too good in a real prison sytem..We used to make SurRatas cry in the joint one even tried to kill himself with his undies, cholos where not welcome in Chicago a real Gangster city because all that NF and MM shit is lame..If you get a chance to read thier Litterature they condone gayness in the prison system..To the point if you are just a regular shmoo from the street entering the prison system you have to give up you shneerner to a made member if he wants it..
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drift Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 11:42 am
condone gayness? i think it’s if you have been raped by a another inmate you are not allowed into theyre ranks, but if you are a homosexual you are also not allowed into theyre ranks, but yet some of them do rape other inmates. it’s a mess theyre set of rules. I dont plan on going to experience prison either!!!! and if i did end up in prison Im rolling SOLO!!!!
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Your right I wrote that wrong but this is a fact, example; if for say, you are a sureno who operates under the M and you hit the joint and a made member of the M wants that azz he can take it from you, then after he takes it you will never be a made man because you have proven to be weaker, this dont happen all that often, but if you are a rapist or snitch you can almost bank on getting it or you can take your ass to PC with all the homos and drop outs..The GDz do the same thing to their people this was common to the point where mebers where no longer claiming instead would claim neutron or ride with the People gangs..I find it fooked up that even after commiting a crime for a gang you still have to get punished by your superiors..well unless you like it in the ass then I guess its ok for you..Not my type of gang I enjoyed the perks of being a made man but I would never condone forced sadomy amongst our people and if they liked it then we had somthing to deal with in yard and this type of poking involved steel to the thoracic cavity not the anal cavity.
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
All types of gang activity is fony so dont do it or you will find it out the hard way either by losing friends or losing your freedom..Time is never given back so dont waste yours if you are reading this and think gangs are cool..They are not, it is the sadest place a person from any race can find themself because at the moment you become a member you are at rock bottom and can only cause harm to your own people therefore being a disgrace to your kind…Stay in School and be a positive contributing member of society set goals and push yourself and when you reach them you will be happier than ever.
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move Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
“Your right I wrote that wrong but this is a fact, example; if for say, you are a sureno who operates under the M and you hit the joint and a made member of the M wants that azz he can take it from you, then after he takes it you will never be a made man because you have proven to be weaker,”
False info. Well maybe they do that gay shit in Chicago but in California if you are giving up your ass cheecks to anyone you won’t even be considered a sureno and would be considered a punk and no good.
One thing people have to understand is that Surenos in other States are very different from the REAL ones in California. Even Surenos in California think lowly of the Surenos outside the Golden State, they call them plasticos because they are not real.
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move Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
For real yeyo you hanged out with the latin kings? You with that “MY NATION” BS, no offense but to me the funniest thing in the world is Chicago gangs believing they are anything more than streetgangs because they have “structure” supposedly them . And what the hell do you mean read their litterature? Don’t know about NF but Surenos/MM don’t have literrature, all they have is a set of rules your supposed to follow, it’s a page long so you can’t call that literrature, we don’t do that lame ass shit in Chicago and try to write a book on banging, that’s stupid.
“I can tell you one thing that the only gang with a solid structure in that city are the Latin Kings all the rest including the Bloods are just a bunch of nomads and wouldnt do too good in a real prison sytem”
What the hell are you talking about boy.What would know about a real prison. The whole reason they even they came up with the whole super max concept was California, and the reason for that was MM and AB and the violence they instigated. Plus crips and bloods were there also. California also home to the most notorious super max prison, Pelican Bay.
“We used to make SurRatas cry in the joint one even tried to kill himself with his undies, cholos where not welcome in Chicago a real Gangster city because all that NF and MM shit is lame”
The only thing that makes Chicago a real Gangster city was the Outfit, not the gangs that pretend to be something more than gangs because they call themselves a “Nation”. The Outfit even punked some of the streetgang leaders in Chicago back in 80s and 90s. And I don’t know about MM being lame but the Arellanos thought enough about them to bring them in their inner circle back when Ramon and Benjamin were around.
What I find amazing is that their were even Surenos in a Illinois prisons. Well in all the jails and prisons in ALL of California there is no such thing as a lating king. And if there is he knows better than to flaunt that shit and roles with the southerners and trys to act like a cholo. If Latins Kings ever try to set up shop in California they would get wiped out with the quickness.
The same way you look down on sureno based gangs, would be the same way we would look down on latin kings if any of them had the balls to set up shop in the gold mine known as California.
CALIFORNIA unlike all the other states don’t have that gang transplant problem all the other States have. There is not one Chicago gang in all of California, but you can’t say the same thing about LA gangs in Illinois.
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
FIRST OF ALL !!!…I dont give a shit about california…I mentioned The Eme by laws and what I stated has happened before and is more than likely going on at a jail near you right now…If you knew anything you would know that shit like that is common for lifers especially in Pelican Bay…II never stated I ran with fookkin fin balls especially not no Kkings.
Sure the Arellanos hired members of La M but where are they now??? That was the beggining of the end for them..Once they took a street gang/prison gang and turned it into a terrorist group they where the first to go with the exeption of one who was probably paying for protection while he was in jail. It was like they where trying to intimidate the other cartels with a bunch of prison has beens…lol..Uy que Miedo!!
Surenos are not in Chicago buddy they are in other cities in Illinois and they run under the folk nation just like Northerners run under the people nation there was a set in the northside that flipped Spanish Cobra and I hear there was one in the south that got whipped out by a coalition of gangs who werent having that shit..If you knew anything you would know that they do the same in California Move Latin Peoples=14/ Latin Folks=13 left/right same thing believe me I know..There is Kings in Pasadena and other cities of California frankly I dont give a shit where they are.
The truth is that in any criminal group there has to be some kinda structure that is built around protecting their members..I was a member of the Almighty Imperial Gangster Nation I still know my LIT by heart,but like I stated before gangbangin is bullshit and so is being in jail.But we focused on protecting the Almighty Families of the Latin Folk Nation.
I disagree with you on the only thing that makes, shit you said about Chicago being a real gangster city..Look at the stats in the past decade on drug related/ gang related murders and arrest they speak for themselfs compare them to LA where people kill for turf and not money, there is a real drug war going on in our country that they keep shoving underneath the rug..That to me is the diffrence between a Gangster and a Cholo..I am sure you understand that money is everything..
Peace nikka..With all the bigots on this site we dont need to be giving them a bad impression about our race..I am sure you dont condone gang violence either.
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Oh and another thing I forgot..lol..The Chicago outfit works hand and hand with street gangs in Chicago and they hire them for protection but once they get into to the IDOC system they are cash cows and are extorted for money its just a metter of who gets them first..
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
There is not a transplant problem in Chicago either Move..Yet there are Chicago based gangs all over the world and believe it or not there is some in Califas too.I agree even where I am at right now I see alot of of 13s not alot of 14s but alike I see alot Folks and People here too.
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move Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
“There is not a transplant problem in Chicago either Move”
Then how come there were surenos in Chicago jails? You won’t find any of that Chicago shit in California.
“I agree even where I am at right now I see alot of of 13s not alot of 14s but alike I see alot Folks and People here too.”
Well from where I am right now all I see is Surenos, Bloods and Crips. In 30million deep Southern California from the Border to Bakers the hispanics are all sureno. If norenos can’t even set up shop in Sothern California, what make you think a buch of lame ass “nations” from Chicago are going to be able to.
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move Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Maybe today the gangs do that, back when the outfit was strong the Mighty Nations in Chicago bowed their heads to those mobsters. They would even order the deaths of gang leaders.
No Italian mobster has ever done that to LA based gangs.
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Completely False..if in any way they ever bowed or showed signs of being submissive it is becasue the outfit was protected by Cops and Poloticos corruptos..The Outfit had never had the need to work with gangs until recently and that is because they have taken repeated blows from the feds.Now they are evn hugging on the Paisas nutz…
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move Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Again False info. Let me correct it.
“FIRST OF ALL !!!…I dont give a shit about california”
Then don’t speak on California.” not the sissys chit in CA” That’s what you said about California. So I had to say something as a pround Southern Californian.
“I mentioned The Eme by laws and what I stated has happened before and is more than likely going on at a jail near you right now…If you knew anything you would know that shit like that is common for lifers especially in Pelican Bay”
And how is it that you know about the Eme reglas? I sure as hell did not get them when I was in county I don’t know how you got them all the way in Chicago. First, Eme members in Pelican Bay or any other prison are all in SHU 23 hour lock down with only I hour of excerside in a cage outside. In California if you are an member of any prison gang, the recognized prison gangs beng EME, AB, NF, NLR, BGF, it’s automatic SHU. EME members are not allowed contact with the Surenos. People tend to believe there is thousand of EME member running around in Cali prisons, there’s probaly only a hundred of them in the entire Cali prison system and thay are all in SHU away from their foot soldiers the Surenos. So even if an EME member wanted a sureno’s ass to, that would be kind of hard to pull off because EME and surenos are kept seperate from eachother. Your info about EME members expecting sex from surenos is false. They are not even physically allowed in the same units.
“Sure the Arellanos hired members of La M but where are they now??? That was the beggining of the end for them..Once they took a street gang/prison gang and turned it into a terrorist group they where the first to go with the exeption of one who was probably paying for protection while he was in jail. It was like they where trying to intimidate the other cartels with a bunch of prison has beens…lol..Uy que Miedo!!”
Those EME members are all either dead or in prison right now, but the the very fact that they even got close to them like that says something. Cartels have some sort of a relationship with big gangs but EME members were the only one’s to be considered part of the same organization as the Cartels. The Arellanos brothers had a lot of love for Popeye Barron ever since he saved their lives in Puerto Vallarta. Thanks to EME San Diego surenos are straight balling with their cartel connects. The San Diego surenos even have a good relationship with San Diego blood gangs they hook up. There is crazy money being made right there, and it’s not street corner hustling like wannabe nations in Chicago it’s wholesale trafficking done by local neighborhoods.
“Surenos are not in Chicago buddy they are in other cities in Illinois”
I never said there’s surenos in Chicago, I said there’s surenos in Illinois, but there is now Chicago hoods anywhere in whole CALIFORNIA no matter what your internet research says.
“and they run under the folk nation just like Northerners run under the people nation there was a set in the northside that flipped Spanish Cobra and I hear there was one in the south that got whipped out by a coalition of gangs who werent having that shit..”
Never mind what little umbrella organization they fall under in the Midwest. I know there is a bunch wierd ass aliances out over there that make no sense. The point I’m trying to make is that there actually sureno hoods active throughout Illinois, maybe those surenos plasticos and weak but they are still there, and you guys can’t seem to get rid of them.
If you knew anything you would know that they do the same in California Move Latin Peoples=14/ Latin Folks=13 left/right same thing believe me I know..There is Kings in Pasadena” and other cities of California frankly I dont give a shit where they are.”
No it’s not the same in California, those Midwest aliances you all may up mean nothing in California. Out here no one recognizes People’s or Folk’s, that stuff counts for nothing out here. California is 40 milion deep, it’s like it’s own country, we don’t follow none of the shit you do in the Midwest. Don’t you have family in California, ask them if all those stupid ass “nations” mean anything in California, except comedy.
The Kings in Pasadena are SURENOS through and through. They have no connection to the BS in chicago, it’s only a coincedence that they happen to share the same name. If you go to Pasadena and tell them they are part of the Latin King Nation they would beat you senseless if not kill you. Because of their name they especially hate being compared to the kings in Chicago. They are straight up Surenos and nothing else.
The closes thing to a transplant in Califronia is the P Stone bloods, they hit that neighborhood before the bloods even started, but they identify with the BLOODS and not the P Stone Nation. If you go PSB hood and tell them they are a part of the P Stone Nation they will be pissed off and beat you senseless if not kill you.
“and other cities of California frankly I dont give a shit where they are.”
Yeah there are gang members from chicago in CALIFORNIA, but not one established outsider gang, they might have a few fools doing a little hustling here and there WITH OUR PERMISSION but none of them are controling any blocks in California in a way a legitimate gang would. They have none/zero gangs from Chicago in all of California. You might have internet info that tell you otherwise that internet info is always wrong went it comes to this street shit.
And frankly you do give a shit about it otherwise you wouldn’t of been arguing the point with me.
“The truth is that in any criminal group there has to be some kinda structure that is built around protecting their members..I was a member of the Almighty Imperial Gangster Nation I still know my LIT by heart,but like I stated before gangbangin is bullshit and so is being in jail.But we focused on protecting the Almighty Families of the Latin Folk Nation.”
Yeah a group of people need some structure, but that still means you guys were a streetgang not a nation.
“I disagree with you on the only thing that makes, shit you said about Chicago being a real gangster city..Look at the stats in the past decade on drug related/ gang related murders and arrest they speak for themselfs compare them to LA where people kill for turf and not money, there is a real drug war going on in our country that they keep shoving underneath the rug..That to me is the diffrence between a Gangster and a Cholo..I am sure you understand that money is everything..”
Yeah there is a big difference to between a cholo from LA and gangster from Chicago, the Cholo from LA can get more money.
You guys are no different. You better believe that California gangs move a lot more pounds and make more money then all those little gangs trying to be nations in Chicago. For the simple reason that we are closer to where the action is. Im telling you small clicks from even small gangs get caught moving hundres of pounds. Los Angels is a hub city Chicago is just a destination point. Hell there is a fool from 18st, and no matter what you heard 18st in LA is 100% Sureno, that’s a relative of El Mayo Zambada. LA hoods have deep connects boy.
D_Nephew I know my and you have some differences but put Yeyo on some game on Los Angeles.
LA Hoods = wholesale distributers
Chicago “nations” = streetcorner hustling
“Peace nikka..With all the bigots on this site we dont need to be giving them a bad impression about our race..I am sure you dont condone gang violence either.”
Whatever we say good or bad is not going to change anyones mind, but I will correct anyone that says BS info about my State.
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move Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
“but there is now Chicago hoods anywhere in the whole CALIFORNIA”
sorry I meant to say there is “NO” Chicago hoods not “now”
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
I dont think they need hoods in California..Especially when its Nation buisness..Surenos all across the country are a bunch of nomads with no guidence just the name they borrowed..While gangs from Chicago all respond to thier originators they are MIA, ATL, NY, even TX ect ect..You are trying to tell me that a prison gang rakes in more money than international drug gang who have been known to deal directly with cartel operators (Flores Brothes members of the Two-Six Gangster NATION)..
Cmon nikka breath some air outside of CA that polluted cholo shit has you all twisted there if life outside of Cali…Cholos look talk and act retarded and are a fooking joke….but hold on..Ok OK…Let me get this straight a bunch of lame Cholos go down to work for the AFO and get murked and all of a sudden they are martyr’s for the hole cholo community…ha ha ha…When did gettting killed become Gangsta???.ROFLMAO…Nikka Please…I dont doubt they got juice in their hoods go to Chicago and claim SuRRata and you will have the same fate that I would have in Caly claiming Folks…It dont take a genious to know that….ooorkiieee dorrrkiiie..
I have alot of deportie friends in Durango and Zacatecas doing dirt for money all members of the same gang big fuuuuckkiing deal..I would do the same if I had no other choice but I thank God I do and have the opportunity once again to do positive things..
My info came from a PLASTICO whom joined a real gang eventually in a state prison..lol..Yours comes from County Jail nikka County!!!!..ha ha..Thats like saying you worked at Mc donalds and know how to cook a good burger..Last but not least dont read into to the NATION thing to much but I took the liberty of looking for a definition for you.You tell me nikka.
NATION= A organized body of people under a single government.
Also a community of persons not constituting a state but bound by common descent, language, history, etc.
Also a relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
RE READ WHAT I WROTE ABOUT LA RAZA IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CALI MOVE
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
IS THIS YOU MOVE???
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
roflmao….HA HAH HAA…PLEASE LOOK ITZ MOVE AND HIS CARNALITO ESE…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyEfR8U4ymk&feature=related
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Check out 00.29 threw 00.30 he is clearly a SuRRAT…If this aint gay then I dont know what is.
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Here he is with the Homies showin some love ESEEEEE!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2P6jbrmawM&feature=fvw
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
HERE WE GO AGAIN!! THIS ONE IS SICK BEWARE NOT FOR THE FAIN OFF HEART…I SEE THEM LA TATOOS…LOL
http://www.funnyjunk.com/showcomment/4562012/
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drift Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
and this whole thing started off so calm……….
that’s fooked up YeYo but funny, i remember for the ditch parties we’d go over to Juarez when it was safe and Im talking 94-96 i use to see some of those hard core cholos from Juarez dancing like that, we used to end up fighting them out there alot, they really didnt like us or my people
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move Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
“Especially when its Nation buisness..Surenos all across the country are a bunch of nomads with no guidence just the name they borrowed..While gangs from Chicago all respond to thier originators they are MIA, ATL, NY, even TX ect ect..”
Then they are a bunch of spineless morons. So your telling me that someone in MIA is going to follow orders from someone in Chicago? You got little lames like that in your hoods? No wonder California has no stupid “nations” no one out here is stupid enough to follow order from someone in anorther states. So basically what you are telling me that you guys are a bunch of monkeys that follow orders from people you never met and live in another state? Please boy, no matter what you want to believe none of those “nations” follow rules to the letter, gangs are made of misfits that have a hard time following rules. What ever you say I don’t believe those idiots in those nations are following orders from anyone in Chicago, that’s what you want to believe. If you honestly think all thosle nation retards around the country are taking orders from fools that have nothing to do with them except, then your doing a lot of wishfull thinking.
I know those surenos are nomads, but so are a bunch of those so called nations. I don’t care what those rules you have, no hardcore criminal in one state is going to bay attention to some other criminal in another. I know you guys want to give off this perception of unity but you must know that’s a bunch of BS. If people from the same gangs kill eachother in Chicago how do you expect to keep harmony outside your own state. If any of those socalled nations in Chicago really tried to call shots outside illinois there would be open rebellion and many fools would drop the nation nonsense.
For LA gangs it’s stupid to think that you can really control anyone with no connection the actual hood. In LA the mentality is if you’re an outsider then F U and get out. Now a lot of LA gangs have homies in other states starting different clicks, from the Surenos, Nortenos, Bloods and Crips and their making money because of it. I guessing Chicago transplants started the same shit, people leaving chicago and starting their “nations” their. Same shit as LA you just through that Nation word to make seem like all of you are united, which you know deep down is BS.
“You are trying to tell me that a prison gang rakes in more money than international drug gang” who have been known to deal directly with cartel operators (Flores Brothes members of the Two-Six Gangster NATION)..”
Allow my to act inmature HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAH. You guys in Chicago believe you guys are an international drug gang?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH. Talk about being delisional. You guys are a gangs with transplats in other states, same thing as LA gangs. It doesn’t make it different because you add the word nation to it. Tell me what’s so different between the transplants in LA and CHI. Chicago is not calling shots for others criminals in a different state, that would never work, you know as well as I do that’s not happening. All those transplats do is open up you new connects to make money, thats all they are. You guys might share the same name but two gangs thousands of miles away, even if they share the same name, do their own thing. The Nations in Chicago calling shots is a myth.
And again LA is a HUB city and Chicago is a destination point. Gangs in LA handle more drug because of location. Even small ass gangs in California can end up hundreds of kilos regularly. Chicago gangs can only do the street corner dealing and that’s it. Or are you going to try and convince me drugs move north to south.
“who have been known to deal directly with cartel operators (Flores Brothes members of the Two-Six Gangster NATION)..”
wait a minute
“Latin King and Two-Sixers in Chicago they grew up in Pilsen basicly been a mexican neighboorhood since the 50s. This led them suposedly to the Flores brothers and there pipe line from Cali and Texas but misteriously ended there. There is no way in hell that they where soley in charge of moving metra tons neither they or the people working with them that also got indicted”
“Look common street guys like me and them have certain limits as to acess of certain quantities. ”
In those two statement you made the Flores brothers look like a bunch of fall guys that did not matter. Only when I made fun of those stupid “nations” in Chicago did you elevate their status to dealing directly with cartel operators. You don’t even believe that shit so stop trying to pump them up. They were nobody fall guys that snitched out to what ever bs the feds told them to and you know it.
“Cmon nikka breath some air outside of CA that polluted cholo shit has you all twisted there if life outside of Cali…Cholos look talk and act retarded and are a fooking joke”
And what thsoe this have to do with anything. A joke? You guys are common criminals calling each other nations to make yourself feel better. The whole Chicago concept is a joke, you got gangs making believing they are something more because of the word Nation.
“….but hold on..Ok OK…Let me get this straight a bunch of lame Cholos go down to work for the AFO and get murked and all of a sudden they are martyr’s for the hole cholo community…ha ha ha…When did gettting killed become Gangsta???.ROFLMAO…Nikka Please…”
Those EME fools were actually from the cartel, not the through away deportee gunners that make up your homeboys. Barron took order directly from Ramon. And you completly missed my point, the the hoods they came from got deep ass connects in TJ. Because of them those SD Surenos are rolling in money.
“I dont doubt they got juice in their hoods go to Chicago and claim SuRRata and you will have the same fate that I would have in Caly claiming Folks…”
But if claimed Sureno in other Parts of Illinois he would of been just fine. Seeing as how there is many sureno hoods all over Illinois but none of that Chicago trash anywhere in Cali. Oh and your wrong if you claimed Folk in Cali people would look at you like “what the hell is that he talking?” That Chicago shit doesn’t even enter California consciense.
“I have alot of deportie friends in Durango and Zacatecas doing dirt for money all members of the same gang big fuuuuckkiing deal”
Like I said before they are just through away gunners with no importance. Those EME members were actually part of the Arellanos. Unless any of those Deportees know Nacho Coronel you can’t compare. Oh that fool from 18st that’s Mayo’s relative is active in the Cartel. He is a lot more than just doing dirt for money like some Chicago lames.
“My info came from a PLASTICO whom joined a real gang eventually in a state prison..lol..Yours comes from County Jail nikka County!!!!..ha ha..Thats like saying you worked at Mc donalds and know how to cook a good burger..Last but not least dont read into to the NATION thing to much but I took the liberty of looking for a definition for you.You tell me nikka.”
That’s right LA country Jail equals greater than a Illinois state prison. Talk to anyone in Law enforcement California is famous for having the most dangerous jails and priosn. Plus the most rigidly structrured gang organizations.
Hell when I was their it was like being in boot camp. The Surenos where supposed excerside everyday and keep ther area clean and your bed made at all times. Any violation of the rules was a beat down, and when a riot starts you better get off if not you would get bad from the other homies. Some off the rules I thought were stupid, like no spitting the sink was a violation and ment a beat down. Saying the worrd niggga was a beat down. Taking a piss and not flushing was a beatdown. Being Asian was a beat down. LOL.
But look at you contradicting yourself, sounding all preachy about gangs and prison not being the way to go. Then turn around and brag about being in State Pen and being in a gang, oh wait excuse me I mean a nation. LOL
But to end this because I’m not going to respond nomore. LA hoods are in illinois, a bunch of them, but their will never be a Chicago gang able to set up shop anywhere in California.
If a sureno goes to Illinois he is going rep his hood. If someone from Chicago goes anywhere in California he will drop that dumb shit and get with the program.
“NATION= A organized body of people under a single government.
Also a community of persons not constituting a state but bound by common descent, language, history, etc.
Also a relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.”
That’s your attempt of being clever? Guess what doesn’t change anything you guys are still just gangs with transplants. Nothing more nothing less. You’ll never catch LA fools getting down on there knees and praying to their Nations like it’s some sort of God.
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YeYo Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
I stand corrected..Move..dont feel special but I made a phone call and your right it aint the M doing the homo shit its the Surenos…There is a handfull of fake 13 sets I have never seen any 14s or 18s or what have you, but 13s are in Illinios in cities like Springfield,East St louis and Moline and Rock Island far from Chicago.I can assuere you that there is gangs from Chicago somwhere in Cali son..You tell me what is better one Nation where everybody is equal or a cholo gang where you have to bow down to a prison gang?? How the fook can County Jail equal greater than state prison?? Last I heard county jails where either holding minimal offenders or real criminals awaiting trial….One more thing… Does the logistic company make more money than walmart or any other store that distributes the product…Hell No!! I am done with you cause you will never understand and I promised to leave you alone cause apperantly you seem to be a problem..
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move Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
I was not going to respond but I can’t help it.
“I stand corrected..Move..dont feel special but I made a phone call and your right it aint the M doing the homo shit its the Surenos”
Fool Surenos aint with that homo shit. Now are there Surenos doing life or doing many years that might had gay sex, maybe, is it something he could be open about it? Hell no. If a surenos ever tried to be open about being gay he would have to go to PC, that shit won’t fly. Well I guess Surenos got the same policy as the military, don’t ask don’t tell. I mean if your in there for life with nothing but guys surrounding you 24/7. Well it’s just not pleasant to think about. If anyone from your nations or whatever are doing long stretches, you can’t tell me absolutely none of them are staying 100% straight, that would be bullshit and you know it.
“I can assuere you that there is gangs from Chicago somwhere in Cali son..”
Then were the f u c k are they? I have always heard these rumors, all of from the internet like you are doing, about Chicago gangs being California. I hear that they are in San Diego, Orange County, somwhere in Central Cali, or even somewhere far away up norh near Oregon. All I ever do is hear rumors from the internet, and I have been up and down this State plenty of times and never seen no Chicago gangs.
So if there are Chicago gangs in Cali name them. Who are they and where they are act, if you can’t tell then drop the issue. Like I said before there might be guest from Chicago here with our permission, but none of them are mixing it up with the locals or controling neighborhoods. Like LA gangs do in illinois.
“You tell me what is better one Nation where everybody is equal or a cholo gang where you have to bow down to a prison gang”
With any large group of people there is never a setup where everybody is equal. There are always going to be individuals that stand out and hold more power than others. There is always going to be people you respect or fear more than others. Tell me in your gang was there people more violent than others? People that were bettern at making money? Of course, none of you were equal. Some are inevitably going to have more influence than others so quit lying to yourself. If all of you wanted to be individuals then why in the hell join a gang? There may not be official leaders in your gangs but there are leaders.
Plus all EME members are originally from local neighborhoods. They are put in those positions putting it down on enemies and following the rules.
The only difference between our learders and yours is that we make it official.
“How the fook can County Jail equal greater than state prison?? Last I heard county jails where either holding minimal offenders or real criminals awaiting trial”
Because it’s LA county that’s why. With the gang injunctions you get a banger goes to county for Jay Walking. When I was down all the inmates around were hardcore bangers and they expected all the other hispanics to follow their rules. The rules were mainly keeping you and your area clean and getting off when a riot starts. LA county always have racial riots popping. Hell even in the Youth Aurthoriy you got youngsters rioting and assulting gaurds regularly.
Not to mention that California prisons are so crowded that they might not have room in the prisons for that convicted murder. So he has to stay with us until they find some room, which could take years.
The only difference I’m told is that Surenos sometimes fight eachother in County, but in State Prison any Sureno that assaults another Sureno that is following the rules that Sureno is in vialation and he would have to catch a beating.
“Does the logistic company make more money than walmart or any other store that distributes the product…Hell No!!”
So using your logic the Cartels in Mexico are making less money than the gangs in Chicago? You do realize you just said that. Does that make any sense? Hell no!!!
I mean collectively a hundred fools in Chicago might make more than the guy in LA hooking them up, but those street corner hustlers will never make more money than the LA cat individually.
Not to mention California has the biggest Marijuan industry in the country and Chicago nations are not allowed to touch.
Luckily we have a lot of street level dealing for the little homies, but when they get older and want to continue the criminal way of life the big homies have nation wide drug trafficking ready for them to take over for the hood.
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YeYo Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:00 am
Oh My Bad Move…I didnt realize all the dope came threw Cali…..Silly me…Here I thought the I-35 corridor was the biggest pipeline into the country. And all these turf wars in Juarez and all threw Chihuas, Durango, Jalisco, Sinaloa where just for fun..I guess that explains why nobody is fighting in TJ or Mexicali…I am in Kansas City the middle of the country not the west or the east but the real dirtrubution point to the Midwest and some parts of the east and believe it or not even the southeast..I can assure you that the real money being made is not by those who facilitate the movement but by those actually selling the shit…Now I know your gonna take this and make it seem like I am talking about Pookey from da block, but you know who I am talking about so dont act dumb.Off course they aint making bigger money than people working directly with the cartel or Chapo,Mayo and the what have yous, but the way you put it, you make it seem like every scumbag cholo is raking in big wads and we all know that is bullshit…Yeah LA county Jail is hard same can be said for Cook county but its still a tranfer station and you will never get the knowlege about gang structures that you would get in a state prison…Give it up nikka this wasnt about Cali but you want to stick your neck out for La EME and all them scraps who swing on their nutz..Tell me if Sur 13 is so strong why do they need La EME to tell them how they can operate and colect dues from them?? Its silly nikka that shit is lame and played out.
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YeYo Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:09 am
I must have missed this one…lol..Help!!! Help!!! Sobrino!!! I am getting schooled by a real muthafuucken G!!!..
“D_Nephew I know my and you have some differences but put Yeyo on some game on Los Angeles.”
I am done this time for real..I dont care what you post…Sorry guys for all the drama, but Move is like that little kid our moms told about that wore the helmet and yelled out aauuuuuuggggggsssttttaaaa every 10 seconds..I thought I could teach him somthing but he is obviously handicaped…I am done!!
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move Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:08 am
Please Yeyo I was being sarcastic when I said that about D_Nephew, but he does have some idea about the family relations LA gang members have with the Sinaloa cartel. It’s obvious I don’t need his help I got you admitting you were wrong on some things.
“I must have missed this one…lol..Help!!! Help!!! Sobrino!!! I am getting schooled by a real muthafuucken G!!!..”
Aren’t you a personal trainer or something? If you ever were a g you sure as hell ain’t one now. So go play with your old fat housewives homeboy and don’t speak on what you don’t know, like California.
Plus you were the one who had to admit you were wrong. You admitted that gay shit you said about EME was wrong because EME members are all in SHU and seperated from the surenos, you admitted that you do have LA gangs in Illinois, and you keep insisting there is some retarded Chicago nations in California but you can’t even tell me where they are staying at or who they are, even though supposedly you said you don’t care if there are nations in California or not, but your lame ass is still holding out this hope that there is some dumb ass nations in California. You keep on contridicting yourself.
In this whole conversation I never had to back peddle, something you did a plenty of times.
“And all these turf wars in Juarez and all threw Chihuas, Durango, Jalisco, Sinaloa where just for fun..I guess that explains why nobody is fighting in TJ or Mexicali”
Fool I never claimed LA was the only game in town. I just said LA is a HUB city. You want some more examples Phoenix is a HUB city, Dallas is a hub city, and Albuquerque is a HUB city.
“I am in Kansas City the middle of the country not the west or the east but the real dirtrubution point to the Midwest and some parts of the east and believe it or not even the southeast..”
So what the hell those that have to do with Chicago? Fools in Chicago are not seeing any of that action. You no why? Because Chicago is usually a final destination point. Their bread and butter is street corner hustling and that’s it. You will never change that fact, Chicago is doomed to that petty role because geographical location.
“I can assure you that the real money being made is not by those who facilitate the movement but by those actually selling the shit”
LA gangs don’t facilitate the movement for the Cartels boy. Cartels have their own network of people that do that. No what LA gangs do is buy direct from the cartel, SD hoods even buy in Tijuana and smuggle it themselves, at a cheaper price. Once they do that LA hoods smuggle there own drugs nationwide and sell it. Boy again we are a HUB city. We get dope with higher purity and at a cheaper price. That’s why LA hoods smuggle their own shit all over the US. Chicago can’t do the same at the same level because you guys are too far away from the border.
Not to mention California has the best and most marijuana in the country and LA gangs regularly buy localy and sell cross country.
“Now I know your gonna take this and make it seem like I am talking about Pookey from da block, but you know who I am talking about so dont act dumb”
No fool it is pookey from the block. It’s like calling a gang a nation, you’re lying to yourself trying to make seem like it’s something more. Chicago has big city with a lot of dope addicts I know you guys have a lot of distribution over there. But it is all street level and nothing more so don’t try to act like you all doing from any other street corner shit. The only HUBS you guys have is chopped up and diluted coke ready to supply those nation monkeys on your blocks.
“Off course they aint making bigger money than people working directly with the cartel or Chapo,Mayo and the what have yous, but the way you put it, you make it seem like every scumbag cholo is raking in big wads and we all know that is bullshit”
Of course not every homeboy is good at making money. Like I said before is mainly up the individual to move himself and make something happen. A hood just gets you connects, it’s up to the person to know how to use them. But for the ones that do know how to make things happen, because he is from LA or SD he has access to cheap and pure coke. He can buy more at a lower price and sell across state lines.
LA hoods are at another level in thise dope business than Chicago fool. No matter how much you think otherwise nothing is going to help the fact Southern California is right next to the border. You Chicago lames are stuck street corners and crack houses end of story.
Don’t get me wrong LA also has a large local ditribution network, it’s bigger than the one in Chicago since we are a much more populated city. You see even in the street corner shit the little homies got the nation morons beat. Chicago just can’t compare with this LA dopenes so quit trying to compare.
“Yeah LA county Jail is hard same can be said for Cook county but its still a tranfer station and you will never get the knowlege about gang structures that you would get in a state prison”
Those gang structrures you learned about in Illinois have Zero to do with California so why in the hell did you start talking about Surenos calling Cali gangs sissy shit? You were the one who started talking shit about this state. Whatever you learned in you that state prison has nothing to do with California so keep your mouth shut about this state boy. Don’t nobody out here give a fukk about no People or Folk or any othere that punk ass midwest crap.
Obviously those Chicago nation morons are too cowardly to even rep their shit in this California territory, unlike LA gangers who rep their shit in Illinois, so why in the fukk are California bangers even going to take those nation clowns seriously?
“Give it up nikka this wasnt about Cali but you want to stick your neck out for La EME and all them scraps who swing on their nutz..”
Then why the hell did you even mention California then. I wouldn’t of said shit if you just minded your state’s business. Just talk about what you know, those stupid gangs that think they are nations, and we will all be just fine.
If I came in here and off handedly called Chicago gangs sissy shit you too would of said something to me, so don’t act innocent.
“Tell me if Sur 13 is so strong why do they need La EME to tell them how they can operate and colect dues from them?? Its silly nikka that shit is lame and played out.”
What you want us to be an oxymoron like chicago gangs, a gang with no leaders. Like I said before anywhere you have a large group of people that claim the same thing, there are going to be those individual that stand out and have more influence. The only difference is we don’t lie to ourselves and recognize those leaders.
An EME member was a Sureno first before he was EME. It’s not like some complete outsider is calling shots boy.
“Sorry guys for all the drama, but Move is like that little kid our moms told about that wore the helmet and yelled out aauuuuuuggggggsssttttaaaa every 10 seconds..I thought I could teach him somthing but he is obviously handicaped…I am done!!”
Teach me? You were the one who had to admit you were wrong on a few things. Like when you believed the kings in Pasadena were part of that chicago garbage and I had to correct you. You didn’t even know that EME members are all locked down in SHU away from the rest of the surenos. You are the one that claims there chicago gangs in California but can’t even name them or tell me where they are. You were the who lied and elevated the status of the Flores twins just to try and prove me wrong, then I brought up the time you called them nobody fall guys.
Teach me? When in the hell did I lie or change my info in this conversation like you did.
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ilegal Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 11:36 am
“dude”, the only “Mexicans” running wild, robbing and killing on the streets of the U.S are the cholo gangbangers, and the great majority of them are Mexican-Americans, pochos, it’s them who carry out those crimes against Mexicans, Whites and Blacks, and us (Mexicanos) who are being accused of that sh!t.
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JrMaFia Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
last i checked its mexican on mexican violence and black and mexican violence i havce never had a problem with any mexicans and i work in the mexican hood
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Looks like the bleeding heart, snotty-nosed liberal had a Freudian slip: Mexico = “pig farm.” Isn’t he supposed to be on their side?
As a gringa who happens to love all things Mexico (and lived on the border for several years) I support the law. I have red hair and green eyes, but when I go to Europe, I have to have my papers in order and do not take offense at the scrutiny.
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David Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 8:21 am
What?!?!?!
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I’m going to be civil tonight, in fact, I shall disregard the above comment and shock it up to ignorance.
Anyway, I just reread the post and realized I missed something, the following portion of the statement: “demonstrated tendency to result in discrimination against the unpopular and undesirable”
Forget the stinky farm, who is he/she referring to as unpopular and undesirable? I completely disagree with the statement.
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Some comments, especially the one submitted at 7:31 PM, make it extremely difficult, actually impossible, to be civil and polite. But feeding the frenzy will get us nowhere; in fact, I recognize that it will only make matters worse.
I can only attest that the more I read random gratuitous comments, the more I realize that average individuals are not well-suited to enforce laws that are virtually incomprehensible. The sentiments that most seem to harbor are unwarranted and unjustified – there is no other way that I can possibly understand such behavior.
Basically, there’s not much I can expect from local law enforcement, especially when most of the citizens harbor an unreal amount of animosity and loathing towards a nationality.
But then again, it doesn’t matter, because I’m going to law school soon and I’m going to be ridiculously successful and these people will continue to revel in their misery – so much for civility.
All the best, the very best. Buona notte.
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YeYo Reply:
May 19th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
If this was one of those social networks I would click the LIKE..button right now..
avere una buona notte splendida
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Frank Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:13 am
Just like a women who just can’t ignore an argument. Nobody is forcing you to read any comments comprendes mija?
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http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/EJMontini/83770
Top union cop says SB1070 changes… nothing
Last Month, when Gov. Jan Brewer made a big public display of signing SB1070, which Arizona politicians called the toughest immigration enforcement law in the country, Mark Spencer stood right behind her.
Spencer is president of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association and a big backer of the law. And yet he told me this week that when police officers put the new law into effect later this summer the citizens of Phoenix should notice exactly… nothing.
“You won’t even see a ripple in the way Phoenix police operate,” Spencer said. “Because we have been operating under the main premise of the bill for the past two years. We have been test-driving this statute for the past two years with incredible success.”
I’m not sure who should be more confused, critics of the law or supporters.
I do know that Spencer is basing his opinion on first-hand experience.
Last July he got into some hot water with his department after he arrested a Mexican day laborer outside of a Home Depot while on a ride along with two other patrol officers.
Spencer argued that he simply was acting within the guidelines of the city’s Operations Order 1.4, the policy that outlines how Phoenix officers report suspected illegal immigrants to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Some department officials believed Spencer made the arrest as a way of testing the department’s policy. In the end he was criticized for what amounted to paperwork issues, but otherwise cleared. What this proves, he says, is that a “mirror image” of SB1070 already was in effect.
“We (Phoenix police) have been able to assist ICE with 3,000 deportations without any additional costs or crimes to the city of Phoenix,” he said. “It doesn’t tie up manpower. What ties up manpower is when you have to book an illegal who has committed another crime in lieu of just dropping him off at ICE. Just as importantly under that revised policy the last two years we didn’t have a single civil rights, racial profiling or bias policing complaint in implementing that policy.”
The big difference between the new state law and the city of Phoenix policy, Spencer said, is that the law takes the enforcement cuffs off of officers and puts them on police chiefs.
“It (SB1070) does not mandate that our frontline officers engage in routine immigration enforcement,” he said. “The mandate isn’t to police officers; it is to police chiefs. It says you will not have restrictive immigration policies. Let your men and women have the discretionary ability to pick up a phone and utilize the expertise of ICE. That is the mandate.”
Spencer believes that this “discretion” be exercised without profiling and without alienating the minority community.
“We have to pay attention to the concerns of our minority community partners,” he said. “They have valid concerns. But when you look at Phoenix police we have been extremely successful in the past in interacting and serving our minority community partners.”
He also points to the fact that the new law specifically protects victims and witnesses from immigration scrutiny when officers believe it otherwise would hinder an investigation.
“We have been able to protect the sanctity of victims and the value of witnesses in criminal investigations and this bill clearly goes out of the way to maintain that protection,” he said.
So, why all the fuss?
Well, it started when tough-talking Arizona politicians tried to transform the most famous quote of Teddy Roosevelt into a new state motto but got the phrase (and the law) all wrong:
Speak loudly and carry a little stick.
(Column for April 20, 2010, Arizona Republic)
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Anybody here seriously believe SB1070 will be enforced?
It’s unfunded, and AZ has a lousy repetuniation with unfunded laws. Take the referendum back in 2008, which requires Arizona businesses to validate the citizenship of their workers. So far, little compliance; in fact, virtually none. And the State could care less.
Both laws are insincere, political appeasement, nothing more, nothing less.
And those posters here who would forever parse the meaning of the exact words of the law as a way of asserting that it does not point to a “certain group” of bonafide US Citizens, may I suggest a survey of the comment section in USAToday, the Arizona Daily Star, or The Arizona Republic?
You’ll find some of the most scurrilous, vile, and shamefully vicious comments directed at my neighbors and friends who make up 85% of the population here in my Santa Cruz County town. (As far as I know, they are legal citizens and some have been legal even longer than my family has.)
The comments remind me of those made about Italians back in my rural Pennsylvania home town when I was a kid.
You know, “those people” of darker skin, who never assimilate, and who talk funny.
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Jack Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Huh? “reptuniation?”
New word, I guess…
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Tantos Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Jack, it’s virtually the same law that California already has on the books. I put the link above. You are right, not much will change. Notice how well CA enforces their own state immigration law while whining about AZ’s bill.
Is it a surprise when AZ business owners (who have no interest in collective bargaining agreements) use all their political pull to stop “E-Verify” and/or any law enforcement efforts to curb illegal alien employment?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_I5sLvBYds
Short bit on barbie on abc
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Flauta_deQueso Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Wow, The power of the U.S. Media is unbelievable. No son pendejos. ponte’ trucha’!!!!
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@ Move
Why did being Asian get a beatdown? U got me wondering on that now. We had basic rules in county like the 1st toilet wasn’t to be used we had to use the last one and u better flush real quick if you were tsaking a shit and stand in a line to get your platone but I’m talking pods here a unit, or if you had beef with the aztecas and they put a green light on your hood or a certain individual you were going to get beat down but what’s up with the Asians just getting a beat down?
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move Reply:
May 20th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
That was mainly in the 90s. It all started in Long Beach with Tiny Rascle Gang. Supposedly the Asian gangs in Long Beach were targeting innocent Mexicans to kill so you EME issued it’s greenlight on the Asians. Honestly it was before my time, but the homies tell the Asians got it real bad because they were hopelessly out numbered.
The gang violence in Long Beach is more racially charged, the surenos over there are the East Side Longos, the West Side Longos, and North Side Longos. Those three gangs were enemies but EME ordered them to put that aside and consentrate on going after the TRG and ABZ both asian gangs. The Longos also had a habit of killing innocent Asians too. It was a mess in Long Beach back in the 90s.
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drift Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:54 pm
gracias
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