Arde Sonora
Jul 30th, 2010 | By Michel Marizco | Category: Chismes, General News, Organized Crime
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THE BORDER REPORT
UPDATE: A good friend in Sasabe, Ariz., tells me the Americans closed the port of entry there early citing bad weather …
That port is only open until 8 p.m., and they closed at about 7:30, she says, but the unexpected closure leaves about 20 people stranded in Sasabe tonight. It’s a town with a population of 25 people, it’s not like there’s a hotel for them to drive to and Tucson’s an hour away. I could be wrong but I’ve never heard of the Americans closing the port because of weather conditions; frankly, I wonder if it wasn’t because of the fight last night in Saric pero quien sabe.
Good morning. Lots going on today. We’ll start with Sonora. According to an FBI source earlier today:
First, the Sinaloa Federation finally moved in on El Gilo in the hills between Sáric and Tubutama last night, about 7 p.m. The Mexican military has seized ten armored vehicles. There are reports of 30 to 40 people dead, with Guzmán’s people having the upper hand. The Mexican Army is currently in the area. Apparently, there was an accident involving Mexican Army soldiers unrelated to the firefight, who were enroute to the Sáric/Tubutama area. Apparently several soldiers died in the accident.
Then “El Dos Mil” Francisco Hernández García, has started acting up again. There was a shootout between Sonora state police and Dos Mil in San Pedro, just east of Hermosillo. At least one cop is dead. Then there was another gunbattle yesterday at the Nogales, Sonora, airport between rival gangs. So far, two dead and another seriously injured.
So you have Dos Mil in central Sonora, the Sinaloans appear to have killed “El Gilo” Arnoldo del Cid Buelno, Hector Beltrán Leyva’s lieutenant in the hills just south of Arizona, and another fight at the airport. Gilo had some 300 men stocked in those towns. Two weeks ago, the Sinaloans tried to move on him but were defeated in an ambush that left some 20-30 gunmen dead.
Meanwhile, on the political front, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Alan Bersin appears to be carefully congratulating Mexico for killing Nacho Coronel Villarreal in a gunfight yesterday. Read what he has to say in that linked El Universal interview.
Ilegal, who first told me about la muerte de Nachito, found this bizarre story of a bounty on Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s head.
Finally, I thought YeYo lent some interesting insight into the discussion today (I am not spell-checking him though or I’ll be here all day … Kidding! I’m kidding!):
“Durango esta de luto por La muerte del “Cachas de diamante”..Holy shit seems super duper oficial he is dead and the worst is yet to come.I need a body and none has been brought to light as of yet, it might be premature to ask for it since this is breaking news but part of me still holds on to the fantasy of some kind of error..But all signs point to the worst.
–Chapo and Nacho had a rupture over a certain kidnaping of someones wife in Sinaloa whos sister is maried to one of Chapos imidiate relative..Remember that??But I doubt Chapo has anything to do with this because he would be a dead man via Mayo Zambada..Chapo has never been bigger than Nacho and Nacho has provided many of nice places to hide in the Sierra de Durango..Chapo aint no bigger than the next one so everybody quit griping his nuts cause he might be next..
–Juarez Cartel promised to stop the car bombs if a big Sinaloa fish was brought to justice last I heard, so it could be the goverment actualy doing their job since Cevallos hasnt apeared yet and Nacho was relased supposedly..
–Nacho has been beefing with Zetas from Durango all the way Jalisco..8 heads in Durango where Zetas trying to establish themselfs and make a move to the south..Confirmed that yesterday threw a friend who actualy lives in DGO city and saw one of the heads while driving around..
– Why not the Marina?? Sure Chapo has pull within the ranks of the Mexican Military but he isnt god. The military operates in Zonas and this was the 15 zona historicaly not Chapos but has been known to mingle with others like FM and CDG not to mention Lazca an Nacho as well..
–Nacho had been pegged since his meeting with El Mini then Mini was killed by nobody knows..
–He was suposedly captured then relased in exchange for Cevallos but nothing was ever mentioned or heard about Cevallos since..
–4 days ago members of Familia Michoacana where captured in Jalisco with a huge arsenal of weapons one of them being Valdemar Hernandez Barajas or (Servando Gomez Martinez..real name) the suposed son of La Tuta but later was found not to be..He was sent to advance into Jalisco but failed..
To sum it up you have to look at who would benifit from his downfall and that would NOT be the Sinaloans thats for sure..The only people that could benifit from this would be the Zetas, Familia Michoacana and the Mexican goverment..Nacho was also the king of meth and was competing for that tittle with the Familia but at the same time was beefing with Zetas..He was alos beefing with BLO over the death of his son and the horrific murder of Pepino but they dont have the pull that they used to have especialy in Jalisco or 15 Zona, so they seem to have lost a foe by way of another foe..The thing that gets me the most being from Durango is this is an oportunity for the ZZ’s to move in and also the Juarez cartel..I suspect they will bump into each other on there way in and the blood will flow threw Durango like it never has before..Not to metion the mess thats about go down in Jalisco..
He went down in a gun battle and lost he even took military personel with him on his way out. and I guess if you choose to live that lifstyle thats a hell of a way to go out, I rather be alive personaly but to each his own….Arriba Durango Raza!!”
Oh and one last point. I think the comments section needs to be structured differently so that the chismes and interesting details you all share, well, most of you, don’t get lost as we move from one story to the next. Any suggestions, email me.
they finally went with the locals plan…they sent some cars but the majority of people walked so the puntos wouldnt see them
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Michael entry. http://Www.Lanetanews.net
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does the fact that los Chapos took down el Gilo, means that they already reached for the office? which i presume it’s Nogales, i heard there are zetas in that town.
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There is more, Michel. Three days ago, my friends in aqua prieta told me that Paredes was amking a power shift in Sonors. They sent their gunmam to the area where last night a gunbattle started. Word is from a very reliable sorce, that you are going to see cleaning house over the next coming week. And, last but not least, they are after dos mil’s ass. He is next from what I understand.
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rabbit Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Long awaited revenge.
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Curious Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
I hope they take 2k ass out, he’s been actin a fool too damn long, i’m suprised he’s still runnin around.
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rabbit Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
It has been a long time coming. The show down is coming. We’ll see what happens with the new shake up.
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leonardo leonel Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
no puedo cerear que este puto es la vos de los padres en ap
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Tu Padre Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Ese Buey huele mas a coche que a liebre.
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“He went down in a gun battle and lost he even took military personel with him on his way out.”
Yeyo you actually believe Nacho had a choice in the matter. Nope he was supposed to die, they don’t want people with his info on government corruption alive. The government staight Arturo Beltraned his ass.
Told you guys Chapo and Nacho were not seeing eye to eye, I kind of saw this coming. No, I don’t think that Chapo turned him in, it was no secret that Nacho lived in Zopopan Jalisco. I just think they went their seperatie ways, and Nacho overestimated his power, much like yeyo is doing.
Also many people have been blaming the Mexican federal government of not going after the Sinaloans. So then Nacho gets executed, the guy who went his seperate way, and the Mex feds say they are doing something against the Sinaloans.
The only thing that concerns me is if the Valencias and La Familia will stay peacefull or will they fight eachother for Jalisco.
“Juarez Cartel promised to stop the car bombs if a big Sinaloa fish was brought to justice last I heard”
To be very offensive I fine that theory to be retarded.
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YeYo Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
He didnt get executed MOVE he was killed while fleeing the scene and on his way out took somone out..He almost made it..Look into the Juarez thing buddy you will see..I aint saying thats what went down but the mantas where left in plain sight..I have no reason to bullshit and Chapo aint no bigger than Nacho.
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move Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
No Chapo is not bigger than Nacho, but Chapo, Mayo and all their allies sure are. Nacho was loosing it sense his kid got killed, he was getting stupid and sloppy, there was no reason for him to pick some of fights he was in lately.
“he was killed while fleeing the scene and on his way out took somone out..He almost made it.”
And why was he running. A guy that had the money Nacho did his first reaction would be to bribe his way out. Not come out shooting like some 19 year old doped up sicario. You thinking he wanted to fight it out tells me you have more respect for the guy than you should. Sure he was old school or what have you, but lately they guy was acting up.
Also La Linea can spray what ever little threat they want, that is not going to do a thing to move the soldiers into action. If they spay painted that tommorow a nuke will go of if they don’t catch Shorty are you going to take them seriously?
That Juarez put out a message like I’m not disputing, what I’m disputing is people actually taking it seriously.
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YeYo Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
“No Chapo is not bigger than Nacho, but Chapo, Mayo and all their allies sure are. Nacho was loosing it sense his kid got killed, he was getting stupid and sloppy, there was no reason for him to pick some of fights he was in lately.”
TRUE in a way…But if you wanna talk loosing it..Why not take out Chapo for the heat he has brought down on the crew?? All the Juarez chit and Sonora chit in just the past year is alot more than what Nacho has done in his hole life..
“And why was he running. A guy that had the money Nacho did his first reaction would be to bribe his way out. Not come out shooting like some 19 year old doped up sicario. You thinking he wanted to fight it out tells me you have more respect for the guy than you should. Sure he was old school or what have you, but lately they guy was acting up.”
Obviously he was ready to fight it out at any given time just as they all should be given the way they make their money..If he wasnt worth the respect that I give him please explain why he was free after being catured a few months back.Why wouldnt he be on the ofensive against the people who let him loose then all of sudden turned their back on him?.Would you just give in if you where in his shoes? Its obvious they wanted him dead but I dont think the Sinaloans wanted it..I think the goverment wanted more because of what he knew..That..Or his oposition who has been known to work with 15th zona..Look I dont know what happened and neither do you but Sinaloa has alot to loose in his capture or death think Durango and Jalisco and how enemys of the Sinaloans are pushing to take those plazas..Famila Michoacana might even have a hand on this given that he was their main competition not only in the meth trade but in getting in good graces financialy with the Sinaloans.Familia Michoacan has gotten heat latley because they seem to be getting that so called Calderon protection all of a sudden.If Chapo and Mayo wanted him dead they knew where he was all they had to do was send their people and play it off as if it was some type of meeting given that they are compadres and what have you..
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move Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 3:52 am
“All the Juarez chit and Sonora chit in just the past year is alot more than what Nacho has done in his hole life..”
In Sonora they had to do something or Arturo and the Zetas would of closed that up for the Sinaloans. Arturo picked that fight with the Sinaloans and he decided the go and partner up with the Zetas. To me that excuse they say about Chapo turning in Mochomo is BS. Z’s and BLO wanted Sonora so their was no other option but war.
In Juarez, the very same people that worked for JL wanted Chapo to come and back them up. Nobody could stand JL, and even if Juarez is turining into Somalia the Sinaloans are still passing their loads tax free. Which is what they wanted to begin with. Take away the emotion that comes from all the sufering caused by the dead, make a cold judgment and you will see that the Sinaloans are getting what they want out of that war with Juarez. When La Linea made those bomb threats to me it made them look even weaker, that’s a move only the desperate would make.
“Obviously he was ready to fight it out at any given time just as they all should be given the way they make their money..If he wasnt worth the respect that I give him please explain why he was free after being catured a few months back.Why wouldnt he be on the ofensive against the people who let him loose then all of sudden turned their back on him?.Would you just give in if you where in his shoes?”
If I was in his shoes I would of got the hell out of Jalisco the first time they caught me there. Same mistake Arturo made. What do you mean ready to fight, the guy was almost in his 60s and used to living a life of luxury, if he was in fear of being sent to prison or being killed on purpose by the Army he would of not been hiding in A DAMN MANSION.
And you don’t even know if that rumor about Nacho getting caught and released is true. But I must say, it probably happens more ofen than what you and I think. So to me even if they did get him around the time the rumor started then released him, it did not shake him enough for him to leave Jalisco. Being “caught” then let go is probably normal for him. I repeat, with Nacho’s money and power his first reaction would be to bribe his way out.
“Its obvious they wanted him dead but I dont think the Sinaloans wanted it..I think the goverment wanted more because of what he knew..That..Or his oposition who has been known to work with 15th zona..Look I dont know what happened and neither do you but Sinaloa has alot to loose in his capture or death think Durango and Jalisco and how enemys of the Sinaloans are pushing to take those plazas”
What did Sinaloa loose if Nacho already wanted start his own thing, which I believe he did, I’ve said this months ago that Nacho and Shorty are not seeing eye to eye. Nacho could of turned into another Arturo given the time. I honestly in a business sense think the Sinaloas are indeferent to Nacho’s assasination, personally some people from Sinaloa may feel bad for Nacho but that’s about it. As for the Durango plaza is really not that important because it’s surround by land, it’s flakey as hell, and a whole bunch of other reasons.
Now Jalisco thats an important place to control, but one thing I think you are messing in your assement of Jalisco is the Valencias. The Valencias have history out there in Jalisco, but people tend to overlook them. And my feeling is a big part of the tension between the Chapo and Nacho is the Valencias. The Valencias have been working with Chapo for awhile, he backed them up in Michoacan when the they were going up against La Familia who back them were in with the Zetas, to me the Shorty is tight with that Family. And who picked a fight with the Valencias? Nacho did. Today La Familia and the Valencias are at peace with each other for the simple fact that La Familia woke the Fvck up and started killing Zetas instead of helping them out. Which brings me to my little theory, I think it’s good for the Sinaloans that Zetas have some presence in Jalisco because that would probably bring the LFM and the Valencias together instead of them turning on each other. If what’s left of the Valencians and the La Familia come together in Jalisco, and they do the Zetas what they did to them in Michoacan, it might turn out good for the Sinaloans in a weird way. Of course that is the best case senerio and it might turn into a big ass war zone like what after what happened when ABL died.
“Famila Michoacana might even have a hand on this given that he was their main competition not only in the meth trade but in getting in good graces financialy with the Sinaloans.Familia Michoacan has gotten heat latley because they seem to be getting that so called Calderon protection all of a sudden”
I don’t think LFM, the Valencias, Sinaloans, Hector, or Zetas had a hand in what happened to Nacho. EVERYONE knew he stayed in Zopopan Jalisco, that was no big secret. I don’t know exactly why the govenment decided to take him out, I can only speculate, but to me the government did this on it’s own.
And I don’t know what you mean the LFM if getting protection from Calderon. Two things make LFM stand out, they are the only ones to successfully get rid of the Zetas from their state, and they go at it hard againgst the Federales. Whay protection do you speak, if that were the case La Familia would not of ambush the Federales like they did in Zitacuaro.
“If Chapo and Mayo wanted him dead they knew where he was all they had to do was send their people and play it off as if it was some type of meeting given that they are compadres and what have you..”
A meeting? I think you have been wathing to much Godfather.
Don’t forget to drop the gun.
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Michel Marizco Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 10:18 am
The question is the why in all this. I think we can all agree there was more to this killing than merely an intent to arrest Nacho.
When I first reported on his arrest last May, the guys I got it from, border law enforcement, are never wrong. Some are, yes. But not these. If they say it happened, it happened.
And then he was freed; or he died then or he died now, we don’t know. But returning to the initial question, why? What motive did they have to do him.
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ilegal Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 4:46 pm
i don’t think he would have made it alive, they shot him 16 times, that sounds to me like an execution.
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ilegal Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
i don’t think they are satisfied with Nacho’s dead, check this out. CIUDAD JUAREZ.- Un nuevo mensaje de “narcopinta” fue localizado esta mañana en la colonia 16 de septiembre.
El mensaje grafitero fue loacalizado en la colonia 16 de septiembre sobre una barda de las calles Isla Java e Isla Samoa.
El mensaje firmado por “La Linea” rapidamente fue pintado, advertía que se habían cumplido ya los 15 días de plazo dado a las autoridades en un mensaje anterior.
“”Ya son 15 días no hemos bisto nada cuídense todos aquellos que cubren al chapo “FBI” Atte.___”"
El pasado 19 de julio luego del atentado del coche bomba, fue lacalizado el primer mensaje sobre la barda de la escuela Primaria Justo Sierra, en cual se aseguraba que – “Si en 15 dias no arrestan agentes federales que apoyan al cartel de Sinaloa, detonarán otro carrobomba con 100 kilos de explosivos C4-
De acuerdo con vecinos del sector este nuevo mensaje apareció la madrugada de este viernes, por lo que esta mañana alertaron a las autoridades quienes intentaron borrarla con pintura.
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YeYo Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Thank you Ilegal..I will look into the previous manta in which they pressure the goverment..Again I aint saying thats what went down but it could be, they already knew where he was and he was a big one and Mexico doesnt want to be seen as the next Colombia by the rest of the world even though they are moving that way slowly.
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Tu Padre Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Maybe they just dont read the news. Today they may come back and spray paint “Nevermind”
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rabbit Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
I somewhat agree with you for once.
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rabbit Reply:
August 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am
I have disliked move for some of his insults towards me in the past, but I do agree with a lot of what he says. Common sense says that business is business. As long as the loads are getting through, none of these guys care how safe juarez is. That sucks, but probably very true. In fact, they probably want it unsafe to keep law enforcement and their snitches scared to death.
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Curious Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
“The government staight Arturo Beltraned his ass.” haha, that’s cool how Arturo Beltran is now turning into a verb. I gotta use that one.
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I apologize for the spelling I was kinda in a hurry and didnt get the chance to review what I wrote..None the less I still would have missed 75% of the errors..lol..
On another note this is huge bigger than anything in the past decade.This is a man with impresive power threw out Mexico..He was not a small time operator for a cartel nor was he taking order from Chapo he was an independent man that acossiated with the Sinaloanst because they all came up in the dope game together,his was a boss and this is a huge blow to the Meth,Marijuana, and Heroin trade, but like always someone else will reap the benifits of his empire and that is yet to be seen.
Sonora is starting to scare me..lol..But umma wear my fanny pack while on vacation in a few weeks coupled with a hawaian shirt in attemps to look like tourist..Fauckk da bullshit!!
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YeYo Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
WoW..still missed a few..lol
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Valentina Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
No worries. I know your writing, so I know exactly what you mean.
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Gilo valio madre por rata
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I ran into some young guys in Douglas,Az. at a circle k,who were definately zetas. The one guy had a tattoo across the back of his neck “zeta”. When I was walking to my car, their truck was parked next to me. I said to the one guy I hope you know what you ‘re doing because this is not the area to be in. He was very polite and said “Don’t worry,there’s alot more of us here.”I didn’t dare tell him that I had been married to someone whose brother was one of the old time king pins in AP. He was killed in 2004. It’s sad to see the direction this business has taken. I still can’t believe all the people I knew. who have since been killed. With all the commotion these cartels have kicked up in the last few years, it only tears them down faster. I am not saying that drug trafficing is right, it’s just not going to go away. It use to be ,go after the one that did you wrong,but killing them was not always the way of dealing with them.They never went after the kids or families.When Chapo’s son was killed I felt bad for his family. No one should have to bury a child because of who they are.
Rabbit I think we have friends in common.
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Valentina Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
What’s AP?
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YeYo Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Agua Prieta, Sonora a border town.
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Valentina Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Muchas gracias.
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rabbit Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
I agree, 17. The whole thing is really sad. Leo didn’t need to go out like that. But the brothers that are left are heading to the top. Pray that they do well. I do respect them. I hear blas is around again. Have you seen him yet? I wish them all really well.
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edge of 17 Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 11:45 pm
I have not seen any of these guys for a long time. I am going to give you a hint about me,do you remember Tepiro or is it spelled Tepido? I think you’ll figure it out. I have a funny story to tell ya about Blas.The side I knew of Leo was only a friendship,cuz he was interested in some of my girlfriends I hung out with. I saw the good side of Leo never the bad. He had some beautiful horses at his ranch.I just did not feel comfortable there with all the guys and their guns.I understood this was how it was, even with my ex, but if something were to happen, I didn’t want to have to save them.” Ya know sometimes it takes a woman to do a man’s job.”
Just kidding!!! I posted something on Blogdelnarco,about how women might one day be in charge of the cartels because some of these guys are acting like idiots,and some guy wrote back that was the funniest thing he had read all day. Then he called me sweetheart. Hey never say never.
Interesting life,huh rabbit.
Edge of 17 is a Stevie Nicks song,for those who don’t know what it is. She is one of my favorite singers.
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rabbit Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
I feel you. I knew Manny. I knew a lot of the Sameniego crowd. You and I probably have crossed paths. My relationship with Leo was really good for a few years. But it turned bad over some really stupid shit. But I hear you. These days its hard life for a narco. Leo and marco had some really beautiful animals. I hope you are well.
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edge of 17 Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 7:20 pm
I am Enrique’s ex. wife, Sam’s half bro.. He can’t seem to stay out of trouble or jail. Bad news all around. I do not speak to him ,but Manuel and I were good friends. If you want to contact me my e-mail is rh460us@yahoo.com. Still don’t know who killed my sister back in 89′, Leo and Manny told me to look into her husband. They’re code of silence stood. After 20yrs,I still want to know the truth.
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rabbit Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 10:09 am
Damn, girl, I remember all that. You know everyone. Wow. Don’t think Leo lied to you. I have been around since the early days. You brought a lot of memories back.
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Check this information from people in Guadalajara from the same neighborhood where Nacho went down:
esde el miercoles por la noche se encontraban en las fincas de colinas de san javier,un grupo de aprox 30 militares comandados por el general edgar luis villegas,estaban tambien, el “7″,”el chapo”,el nacho coronel y todas sus escoltas.estuvieron toda la noche y madrugada del jueves,
a las 5 de la mañana se retiro el chapo con su gente al igual que el “7″,quedo el nacho coronel y el general villegas,
quien a su vez se retiro como a las 10 de la mañana del jueves,pero,esto grupo de mismos militares regresaron ya como a las dos de la tarde,pero con mas de trescientos hombres,vehiculos artillados y dos helicoptero de la fuerza aerea,entraron a la finca donde se encontraba el “nacho” y lo sacaron,”pero ya muerto”.
luego entonces: pues el mismo chapo “lo puso” y el general villegas
lo sacrifico necesariamente,para acallar la presion de la opinion internacional al gobierno del inepto de calderon,que esta protegiendo al cartel de sinaloa.
asi o mas claro,si no,pues investiguen y corroboren esta informacion en los medios de jalisco y en alrededores del fraccionamiento,al que es casi imposibles de entrar si no tienes “negocio ahi”.
This shit get more interesting by the minute!
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Valentina Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Where did you get the information from? If you don’t mind me asking, of course.
Are these people just random people?
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ilegal Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
now that’s what i’m talking about, that sounds more credible than “trabajo de inteligencia por parte del Ejermex”, bunch of bullsh!t, es pura traicion de parte del cartel de las traiciones, y envidia porque el Cachas queria volar solo sin la calentura que deja el Chapo por donde se para.
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El Doble J Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Ilegal….Both sides of the fence have squealed on the other from my understanding, it’s just that Chapo has been able to benefit the most, unlike the others, who’s squealing went wrong. What’s surprising is that El 7 was apparently there as well….what could they have been negotiating?
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ilegal Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
well, telling the army about your enemy’s location is one thing, but squealing against your own people? come on man, i mean, that’s pretty low, the way i see it, if Mayo doesn’t react quick and strikes first, he will be the next one, but hey, this is war, right? and there are not written rules in this war, and about what could they have been negotiating, how to get rid of their enemies i guess.
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El Doble J Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Yeah in these times everything goes now, no more rules are being followed. But I’m still surprised at 7 being there when they have shed blood among each other. I heard there was some sort of cease fire among them with the hopes of aligning themselves together again after El Barbas was killed. This was earlier this year and word going around Culiacan but then the killings started all over again shortly thereafter.
What do you know about Mochomo apparently trying to get Barbas to understand that Chapo did not turn him in?
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ilegal Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
there was a rumor about Alfredito calling el Barbas to tell him that chapo and mayo had nothing to do with his capture, but it looks like Arturo had chapo on his sights and he didn’t back up for some reason.
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Tu Padre Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
I heard several reports that 7 pleaded with his brother to calm down and understand that it was not Chapo that turned him in. Even 7′s dad spoke personally with Chapo trying to calm things down after moreno was killed. By the time Moreno was killed neither one wanted to understand reason. What a shame.
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El Doble J Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:33 am
That’s what I heard as well that Arturo would not listen to Alfredo one bit and shit went too far for them to align themselves thereafter. Apparently Arturo thought that the alliance with the Zetas was going to help him eliminate both Chapo and Mayo. What would have been scary is if the Zetas would have aligned themselves with the Sinaloa Federation….
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YeYo Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Breaking News!! comming from Manguera Fantasy Diario..
I heard Obama and Calderon where there too..Obama brought the water melons and delighted the crowd with his rendition of the “cha cha slide”,,What a crowd pleaser that man is..I swear..Calderon brought the coke and sang “Mi gusto es” then passed out after one to many shots of Jhonny Walker..
So let me get this straight Chapo, 7, Villegas, and Nacho spent the night under the same roof..Along with milatary personel who are on Nacho’s payroll, left then came back and found Nacho already dead..Then they sacraficed him because they where being presured by the goverment..Complete caca-may-me bullchit..Everyone wants to pin it on Chapo because its the easy way out and a quick explanation..But I beg to differ..Tell me one gain they would have in doing in Nacho..
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ilegal Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
you should check the news man, it got rougher for Nachito’s crew.
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rabbit Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Bro, every one needs to step back and look at this again. Even if Nacho wanted to be on his own, there is way more to this whole thing. It will eventually come out. There has been a lot of speculation here. But something still does not make sense. Especially him being at home ill protected. Please, I don’t by it. This is an old school cat. There is way more that we have not heard yet.
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EL GUERO Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 5:57 pm
tambien mataron a su sobrino..el gallo coronel..who was gonna take his pplace..and guess what..it was the military who did him in..i wonder who had his and nachos location to make an anynimous call ??
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nadien Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 8:41 pm
ROFL
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My cousin from GDL has been sending me clips of all kinds of information being floated out there by different people that “apparently” witnessed the events unfolding. What’s weird is that Nachos residences in GDL were well known and all of a sudden they decided to take him down. I don’t know how truth these statements are but hey it’s better that those damn novelas on TV!
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Valentina Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
My mom would disagree, because she loves novelas. But I’m not going to and I can’t argue with that.
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Jakesnake Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
I have a question for El Doble and others: If the residences of Nacho were well known, is that true of other bigwigs like La Barbie? Or, was Nacho sloppy with his secrecy? It seems like he was taking lots of security precautions so it doesn’t seem like he was. If Nacho wasn’t sloppy, then that means his protection from authorities had been compromised.
Any thoughts?
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rabbit Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
As I have said, there is way more to this whole thing. We will have to wait for the truth to present itself. Always does.
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El Doble J Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:22 am
Everyone in GDL knew where he lived and partied but was untouchable since he had the state under his control through your occasional bribes and the lack of violence. Pretty much they would not bother him since he would stay away from all the major killings that were occurring in other parts of the country. The guy partied but was more low key about it and not that extravagant from what I’ve been told.
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Brian Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Better than Haste Que El Dinero Nos Separe?!
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This whole shoot seems worse than The Sopranos or The Godfather, even worse than an Almadas movie, just like Gabriel Garcia Marquez said: ” Echemos nuestros libros al mar, que la realidad ha vencido nuestra imaginacion”. O sea la realidad ha superado la ficción.
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Ya leyeron esto? Esta cab…
http://www.debate.com.mx/eldebate/Articulos/ArticuloPrimera.asp?idart=10068310&idcat=6087
De entre los comentarios alguien saco este chiste:
-Compa y usted como le hace pa dormir con tan to balazo y sicarios sueltos en Mochis? -yo duermo como bebe compadre. -Como, tan agusto duerme? -Nombre, me despierto cada 3 hrs bien ca ga do, (asi vivimos en mochis autoridades!!!!!!!!
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If you are more pretty badass that drug traffickers
the Juarez cartel and price put at the head of the Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona !!
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/immigration/mexican-drug-cartel-sheriff-arpaio-07292010
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YeYo Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
lol..complete bull..myfox..mynutz!!
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ilegal Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
have you checked The Onion News? i trust them more than i trust Faux “News”, lol!!!
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rabbit Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
They are full of shit!
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Any more info on what happened at the airport in Nogales?
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After making a huge tactical error a couple of weeks ago when they move in on Gilo, the federation got it right this time.
This is how I think it played out. The Gilos heard of Nacho’s death and began a premature celebration and let their guard down. Using the anger from the death of Nacho the forces moved in and cleaned house.
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ilegal Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
they smoked who they said, was going to be Nacho’s successor in Guadalajara, he was Nacho’s nephew.
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Mario Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
Igual que a su Tio, “agredio al personal militar y los militares repelieron la agresion”, he should have known better, se hubiera pelado ayer.
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ilegal Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
ese cuento es mas viejo que el conejo de la luna, el barbas, chaguin, nacho y ahora el gallo, todos murieron al querer atacar a los militares para pelarse, that’s pure bullsh!t.
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Tu Padre Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
se te olvido Pablo, Pedro Avilez, y Inez Calderon.
Al turon no lo podian llevar preso porque se quemo con las mantas. Ya sabian que los iva a echar a todos de cabeza.
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ilegal Reply:
July 30th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
asi es, y cuando al chapo le llegue el turno, tambien va a bailar con la flaca, sabe demaciado el hombre, suficiente para poner a mexico en el ojo del mundo en cuestion de corrupcion, (mas), y como dice el corrido, “la traicion y el contrabando son cosas incompartidas”
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rabbit Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 6:42 pm
???
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talegon Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 11:35 am
they were walking for about a week from the surrounding towns tough
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FERNANDO ÓRNELAS DEJÓ EL CARGO EL LUNES PASADO TRAS AVISO DE QUE SI NO RENUNCIABA SEGUIRÍAN IBAN A «MATAR A INOCENTES»
El jefe operativo del Centro de Inteligencia Policial (Cipol), Fernando Órnelas, se separó de su cargo en la corporación a 10 días de que el cártel de Sinaloa amenazó con asesinar a inocentes en caso de que el Gobierno del Estado lo mantuviera en su puesto.
El comandante pidió licencia para que se le investigara, informó Samuel Delgado, vocero de la Secretaría de Seguridad Pública Estatal, al ser cuestionado sobre separación de Órnelas.
Aunque no se dieron detalles de este movimiento, extraoficialmente se dio a conocer que el funcionario policiaco dejó la jefatura operativa del grupo policial el lunes pasado.
La madrugada del martes 20 de julio, en una narcomanta colocada en la ciudad de Chihuahua y dirigida al gobernador José Reyes Baeza, así como al secretario de Seguridad Pública Estatal, Gustavo Zabre, la organización criminal que dirige Joaquín «El Chapo» Guzmán exigió remover de su puesto Ornelas, porque de lo contrario, advirtió, seguirán muriendo «inocentes».
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Tip of the iceberg?
http://proceso.com.mx/rv/modHome/detalleExclusiva/81833
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HELLO
I’m doing a special project related to the border, Mexico tourism and drugs.
I need someone that is willing to talk to me, like an interview, to ask about prices and stuff. I’M IN COLOMBIA (yeah, were all the kingpins are and were) and I need someone.
CAN YOU?
Please if you know the actual guy who sells the shit and wants to talk. Please write to my email
sparklintemptress@yahoo.com
If anyone here knows a guy who actually sells any of those things NEAR THE BORDER…please write.
Thanks
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El Doble J Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 4:43 pm
There’s a thing called the internet that has all the information you’re requesting. There is no need to have someone interviewed anymore with countless documentaries out there already. Shit just turn on the mexican news and you can write a god damn thesis about the border and drug trafficking.
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rabbit Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Be right there, NOT. Lol!
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Maria is on drugs
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Michel Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
For the record, I have no idea who the hell she is.
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ilegal Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 2:36 pm
i bet 2k will be more than pleased to talk to her about that stuff, lol!!!
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rabbit Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Lol!
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Who’s el 7? Noob here
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ilegal Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 7:11 pm
H
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Tu Padre Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 10:12 am
Wrong
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like if nobody knew already that el Chapo montaperros ordered those kidnappings, lol! http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/698902.html
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Mario Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Ay wey, Genaro Garcia Luna hablando mal del Chapo.. va llover piedras y vacas…
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Question: Is Dos Mil the Beltra Leyvas’s? Who is he working for? What is the story with him? It seems he has switched alliances numerous times. There is a lot going on now, it’s almost impossible to keep it all together.
Nacho being killed
El Gilo/Sinaloa in Sonora
CDG/Zetas in Tampulias
Juarez
It’s a shame how few people are actually informed on this stuff, because it is important history that will be looked back upon, how I don’t know, but it’s not just drug cartels killing people in Mexcio like US would have you believe.
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rabbit Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 6:33 pm
The dos mil thing is not complicated. They say 2K works for the gulf boys, but all of them had ties to arturo beltran. Raul para, 2k, the beltran outfit, were all in bed together. By all accounts, 2k is a nasty dude. But he acts like he’s a dirty AFI agent, and has been known to wear an AFI uniform. He has been hired out to carry out several conract hits, most notably Leo Paredes. He has a lot of very powerful enemies. But I have always said that he has backing by higher ups in Sonoran Government. What is really surprising is so do the Walls. But they are bitter enemies with 2K. But as you will see, the walls are heping clean house in Sonora. What’s left of the beltranes in Sonora just got mopped up with a huge help from the walls. Word on the street is that they are nocking off any last people who were tied to Raul Para, AKA BLO. We will just have to see what’s next. But recently 2K’s guy in AP was taken out by the walls. We will see who prevails. I never thought that the Paredes would last this long. But they are on top right now.
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Una nota de lo occurido en Tubutama….
De nueva cuenta y por segunda ocasión en lo que va del mes de julio se volvieron a escuchar fuertes descargas de metralletas cerca del poblado de Saric, en donde según se confirma por residentes de dicha población y elementos pertenecientes a distintas corporaciones de varios municipios que recibieron el reporte del enfrentamiento.
Según las corporaciones policiacas de Saric, Tubutama y Caborca informaron de forma extra oficial que los hechos se registraron a las 19:00 horas de este jueves, donde se habla de aproximadamente de 300 a 400 elementos fuertemente armados que arribaron al lugar desde el predio conocido como “La Nuez” para hacerle frente al grupo criminal ligado a “los zetas” que opera en aquella región.
Suscitándose el encuentro de los grupos delictivos en la región conocida como “Cara Pinta”, sitio ubicado a 8 kilómetros de Saric, con dirección a Nogales, donde pudieron quedar los cuerpos sin vida de varios sicarios, de los cuales se habla una cantidad de 30 a 40 el número de cadáveres.
Fue casi a las 20:00 horas cuando corrió el rumor como reguero de pólvora entre los elementos policiacos de distintas corporaciones municipales, estatales y federales quienes informaron que se trasladarían a la zona de conflicto a la mañana siguiente, ya que se esperaba apoyo de mas elementos de la Policía Federal y del Ejercito Mexicano.
Fuentes cercanas a la 45 zona militar indicaron que varios elementos al tener conocimiento de los hechos se concentraron en el poblado de Tubutama, en espera de apoyo policiaco para arribar al lugar en un operativo conjunto y corroborar la información sobre los hechos, en donde se habla de una cantidad superior de personas muertas al enfrentamiento registrado el 1 de julio del este año.
En tanto en la ciudad de Hermosillo se giraron órdenes a las corporaciones policiacas de los tres niveles, quienes desde la media noche de este viernes comenzaron concentrarse para salir a “peinar” la zona en donde pudo haberse registrado el encuentro entre las bandas criminales ligadas al Cartel del Golfo y de El “chapo” Guzmán.
Asimismo, fuentes cercanas al FBI en los Estados Unidos confirman los hechos al igual que la cifra que se ha venido manejando del número de muertos, de los que la Procuraduría General de Justicia del Estado de Sonora ha negado tener conocimiento de lo ocurrido.
La mañana de este viernes un fuerte convoy conformado por elementos de la Policía Federal y municipales de varios municipios salió desde Altar por la carretera que conduce a Saric para confirmar los hechos.
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nachito bien narcofashion, buena fotito, buen articulo
http://www.noroeste.com.mx/ver_fotos.php?id=44521851&foto=44939327
http://www.noroeste.com.mx/publicaciones.php?id=605722
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ilegal Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 10:10 pm
damn! i remember when i used to dress myself like that in the 90′s, las camisas de rayon y de seda y tres botones desabrochados pa’ presumir pelo en pecho y cadenas al por mayor, lol!!
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Mario Reply:
July 31st, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Eras chingon pa la quebradita? … banda Machos # 1.
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nombre que puex! en ese tiempo yo puro Los Dinamicos del Norte, Los incomparables de Tijuana, Los Intocables del Norte, Los Hermanos Quintero, Los Dos de La Sierra, Antonio El Guero Delgado, Lombardo Iguera, y puras de esas, ah y tambien Chalino Sanchez.
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nada de mamaditas de playeras ed hardy
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ilegal Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 8:18 pm
nombre, ademas antes usabamos pura p!nchi bota de avestruz genuina y tambien de oso hormiguero, nada de sapatitos de aladino y tenis blancos de marca gay y camisitas con corazones y calaveritas, hoy cualquiera usa botas de imitacion piel exotica, puro chafa.
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Tu Padre Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 1:14 pm
No se te valla a olvidar tu bolsa de mano Gucci. Pinches mariconadas.
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ilegal Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm
ah si, segun porque es la moda en Europa, seguramente ahi cargan pinturas de labios tambien, ,.y donde dejamos los pantalones negros y apretados que usan la mayoria de los antrax en combinacion con las camisas y gorras ed hardy? y esas famosas camisas que traen una pistola pintada al nivel de la cintura, y estas otras que traen una funda de sobaquera con pistola. jajajajaja al mas puro estilo de Larry “Sinaloense wannabe” Hernandez.
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Michel Marizco Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Speaking of which, where do I obtain one of these Zeta T-shirts or, better, one of those Fuerza Armada de Arturo Beltran Leyva patches that were going around when the Sinaloa wars were starting?
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ilegal Reply:
August 2nd, 2010 at 6:41 pm
easy, you can get one of those sweet Z t-shirts by enrolling with your local Zeta recruiter, they’ll give you your Z-t shirt, a stolen truck, a nextel radio, a 9mm pistol, a cuerno de chivo or a chanate, a guato de coca pa andar bien loco tumbando contras, and your Lupita wooden paddle to spank the contras and make them confess whatever you want to know (the big ass target sign on your chest and back goes included with your Zeta gear, lol!).
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rabbit Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 10:14 am
Dude that is funny as hell!
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johnny Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm
hey hit me up rabbit
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rabbit Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Have number fixed in morning. But all is good.
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johnny Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 6:47 pm
alright cool thank you
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