Update: Raúl Sabori Among 30 Dead, 40 Wounded?

Jul 1st, 2010 | By Michel Marizco | Category: Chismes, General News, Organized Crime
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THE BORDER REPORT

Justice Department officials in Arizona are now saying the tally of the dead in northern Sonora is 21, and possibly included in those, Raúl “El Negro” Sabori Cisneros.

Meanwhile, a source within CISEN, the Mexican intelligence agency, and a cartel familymember I talk to in Tucson are both reporting at least another ten dead in Altar, Sonora. The hospital in Caborca, the closest hospital to the area, is filled with wounded. My guy in Tucson says an additional 40 people were wounded, enough that the wounded in Altar are being taken to houses to recover, there’s simply no room for them in Caborca.

A clarification, and perhaps some of you can help the rest of us with this. My guy here says that the fight isn’t with the Zetas, that El Gilo and Mr. Ice Cream Man, Felix Paleteros, are their own drug syndicate in Tubutama and the Altar/Sasabe/Caborca boys answer to the Sinaloa Federation. Is that the breakdown I need to be looking at?

If the high number of dead is true, it’s curious. Tubutama, Sonora, is a small town nestled in the hills between Nogales and Sasabe, just south of the U.S. Mexico border. If you were looking at a map of Arizona, it’d be south of the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge.

The Sinaloans and the Zetas have engaged in a battle in this area for some time, now. The Zetas are stranded in the hills; the Sinaloans are not allowing resources to enter the area. Last week, in fact, the public safety director, Gerardo González Méndez, and the town treasurer, Sergio Vázquez Díaz, were gunned down outside of Nogales. A law enforcement source in Nogales tells me the two were driving back toward Tubutama with a drum of gasoline (there is no gas station in those hills between Nogales and Sasabe). His belief was that the Sinaloans had killed the two men for helping the Zetas.

I was in Altar and Caborca the past few days on assignment and saw convoys of Mexican Army deuce-and-a-halfs surrounding the highways in to Tubutama. An official at the local garrison in Sasabe recommended I not travel towards Tubutama because of the frenetic violence that has grasped the region. The Sinaloans have a three-truck checkpoint sitting at the Sasabe-Saríc highway crossing.

While all this is going on, of course, there’s the question of the weekend’s Fourth of July festivities in Puerto Peñasco. Now, Peñasco sits a good two hours from Tubutama, and no, nobody’s targeting Americans who don’t deserve it, so there’s no reason to make this about traveling Phoenicians.

What I’m trying to ascertain is whether the twenty murders actually happened in Tubutama last night or whether it’s merely a panicked chisme coming out of Hermosillo.

On a side note, frankly, I find the situation a little pitiful. Cells from two “powerful” cartels are fighting over gasoline.

If the most powerful cartel in the Western Hemisphere can’t roust a group of thugs sitting in a mountain town, the question must be asked, is anyone wielding influence south of the line?

It all falls in line with what some readers have noted: that last week’s killing of the musico, Sergio Vega, was an accident because he was driving the same color Cadillac as El 18. Again, poor intel. The cartel wars are deteriorating to the level of stray dogs fighting over a chicken bone.

**UPDATE – Guess it ain’t no chisme anymore. Gracias, comadre, por el tip. Te la pago con un seis de Tecate bien heladas la proxima vez que nos veamos.

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  1. K CRES K LOS GILOS SON RATAS COMO USTEDES PENDEJETES LOS UNICOS K SABEN ROBAR ,SECUESTRAR Y MATAR JENTE INOCENTE SON USTEDES,PALETEROS,JABALINES,SABORIS,FOSFORO Y TODOS SUS SECUASES….SI NO PREGUNTENLE AL TESORERO DE OQUITOA Y A LOS POBRES POLLOS K CRUZAN LES COBRAN Y LES ROBAN CULEROS,RATAS ,PREPOTENTES COMO ESE PINCHI NEGRO SABORI EL PERRO SARNOSO SI NO PREGUNTENLE A LOS PAPAS DE LOS MUSICOS DEL GRUPITO NORTENO D CABORCA,VOLA D ABUSONES Y LOS JABALINES JAIPOS ,CULEROS,RATAS,SECUESTRADORES Y PREGUNTENLE ALA SENORA DEL COMANDANTE K DEJARON VIUDA LES PAGO EL RESCATE Y AUN ASI LO MATARON TB…..PERO AKI C TOPARON CON PIEDRA Y FUE ALREVES ARANCARON COMO LIEBRES VOLA D CULONES………….
    Y TODO DOCUMENTADO SIN ANDAR SIN RODEOS Y ANDAR VOLTIANDO LAS COSAS VOLA D LACRAS ESO ES LO K SON SON IGUAL D MIERDAS TODOS LOS K LOS PROTEJEN…..Y SIGAN ENTRANDO JAJAJAJAJJAJA PUTOS!!!!!!!!!!

    jajak Reply:

    Jajaja ahi esta la prueba que asta el cerro fueron a parar los paleteros cosa que no hacen los cobracoutas de los gilos al altar jajaja

    Michel Reply:

    Si todos ya son la misma bola de ratas, carnál. No hay una organizacíon que opere con mas honór que otro. Esos días ya pasarón. Andamos en una eopca de barbaridad.

    talegon Reply:

    al vato ese comandante no lo secuestraron ni pidieron rescate el vato se kiso pasarse de verga y le dieron piso…la esposa nomas dijo eso pa ke creyeran ke su marido era un santo

  2. Well, that band of banditos in those mountains are probably really desperate. 2000 has done a lot of dirty work for arturo and alfredo. Is alfredo calling shots from his cell? maybe. But I believe that this crew are like caged lions. They will bite. 2000 has had support in this area from the the government in Sonora, just like a lot of the other people mentioned here. But Chapo and Mayo own Sonora now. It’s just a matter of time. Unless the Mexican Government turns on Mayo or chapo, I believe that they will clean house. But no one really wins in this one. The face of the game has changed, not for the better. I respect the Beltranes. Maybe they will make a come back. We will see what happens when next season starts.

    johnny Reply:

    very true rabbit very true mayo and chapo own sonora and alot of other places in mexico for that part and will until the mexican gov decides to turn on them if that ever happens but hey hit me up or email me

  3. Okeis, now that’s very amusing.

    son Reply:

    al paletero lo corrieron de caborka por lo ke se tuvo ke meter en hermosillo a ke lo kuidara el chapon de la rocha y ahora kieren kedarse con la plaza, ojala los saken pronto pk no keremos lakras caborkeñas paseandose como juniors en range rovers blancas, o volvos blankos como la de las hijas del chapon de la rocha y sobrinos

  4. I thought so, too, but why do people refer to Raúl as “El Negro,” too?

  5. For years now, I’ve been reading that the military and the Federales are associated with and support drug cartels. And that they are rivals.

    There have been changes in this region recently, most notably in Nogales, where the military departed to be replaced by heavy patrolling by the Federales.

    What does this mean?

    Rabbit Reply:

    it all depends on what team you play for.

    Rabbit Reply:

    And where you are at.

    johnny Reply:

    where u at jaja hit me up or email me

    johnny Reply:

    it means alot more time to play

  6. Come on we all know that there is no zetas there in tubutama, atil, oquitoa, and altar. There is always a fight between Gilo ( chapo guzman gunmens) and Javalines (beltran leyva gunmens) the only thing that happened yesterday is that both cartels were traveling in the same road. If not how you explain big X’s on some of the cars that police inpound???? that’s javalines sign to not get confused with others.

    Michel Marizco Reply:

    I think Gilo pertenece a HBL y Jabalinas a Chapito, que no?

    anonimo Reply:

    YA T LA YOU KNOW PURA MOCHOMERA…….

    Cesar Reply:

    i thought all comandos with an X were Sinaloans cartel

    Rabbit Reply:

    Beltran Leyva is sinaloa.

  7. yes el negro is ramon sabori thats right

  8. I have heard that the locals around Saric were being pushed out of their ranches months ago by armed men. The locals say it was the zetas but it is a little hard to believe. Maybe it’s just a bunch of sicarios working for ??????

    Rabbit Reply:

    I equate people like 2000 as zetas. Are they in the area? Is a fat dog heavy?

  9. since jabali got locked up who runs jabalis gang?

    talegon Reply:

    placas

    JrMaFia Reply:

    who the hell is that?

    talegon Reply:

    jabalins cousin which hes always been jabalins boss

    anonimo Reply:

    PLACAS ES UN PEDEJETE K NOMAS SE LA LLEVA MATANDO,ROBANDO,SECUESTRANDO ESO ES EL PLACA ………

    juanito Reply:

    Es es cierto un pinchi ratero secuestrador jaipo junto con el fosforo

    NOE Reply:

    EL GILO DEL CID DEL CERRO´PRIETO…. ES UN CULON POR QUE LE PIDIO APOYO AL 2000 AL LOS ZETAS Y BELTRAN LEYVA Y DIGAMEN QUE HACEN ESOS BOLAS DE TACUACHES EN SONORA LARGENSEN PARA SU TIERRA Y DEJEN EN PAZ AL NEGRO SABORI QUE EL SI ES DE ESA REGION DUELALE A QUIEN LE DUELA… Y EL PLACA NO ES JAIPO NI SECUESTRADOR, ES UN ENTRON SI NO PREUNTALE AL GILO,,,COM LE FUE…

    carlos Reply:

    es un entron pero al foco y al perico jajajaja rata eskerosa igual ke elnegro mata inocentes

  10. Its funny. A lot of people don’t equate Beltran with sinaloa. Before they parted ways, Beltran, chapo and Mayo were all Sinaloa. They had a falling out. This was a major part of the violence. The Sinaloa federation pushed north in every direction. Basically, world war 3. Push to control it all.

    johnny Reply:

    thats exactly right the beltran leyva bros were some of chapos right hand men until they split and thats right a major part of the violence has been and is between chapo sinaloa and the beltran leyva organization over control of many areas very true rabbit

  11. m la vdd lo ke pasa en caborca no es nada mas ii nada menos que una masacree por la plaza, los narcotraficantes no piensan en las consecuencias que estan susediendo hoii, las personas que abitan esta ciudad temen salir de sus casas por que tienen miedo de encontrarse con estas personas, ii la vdd en mi opinion es ke el gobierno, el ejercito, la policia locla tienen miedo tambien de ellos, por que da la concidencia ke nunca estan serca en donde ocurren estos atentados ii la vdd me desepciona saber esto por que segun el presidente felipe calderon mexico lucha contra la violencia cuando en realidad el mismpo gobierno recibe grandes cantidades de dinero. Para que se asen mensos los del gobierno si las mismas personas que asen desmadre en caborca, altar, etc. son las mimsas ke les dan de tragar i la vdd tengo mucho coraje por que escuchan un disparo i en vez de enfrentar a los delincuentes se dan la media vuelta i se asen los sordos que decepcion tan grande la vdd.

  12. El Negro Sabori es Raúl Sabori yo lo conozco y punto

    LOL Reply:

    Se nota!

    anonimo Reply:

    PUES AS D SER IGUAL K ELLOS UNA BASURA PENDEJO……..MATONES,SECUESTRADORES

  13. Pues tu lo conoces pero no eres ni maton ni secuestrador…..tons que eres????

  14. I’m not a Mexican national.
    However have family/friends in Mexico.
    However, it generally creeps me out, on this blog, or others, when people post, about situations regarding , ‘other people’.

    Who are these ‘Other People’?

    Are they not your friends, family… near and dear. Are you prepared, to, at this historical frame of time, put them, individuals, just like yourself and their lives…at a distance?

    Although if they put their own emotional/economical well-being ahead of yours…does this make them, your enemy?

    Is this the new Mexican civil war?

  15. LA VERDAD ES QUE EL GILO JUNTO CON LOS ZETAS SE QUIEREN APODERAR DEL RANCHO DEL JABALIN QUE TIENE POR ESA REGION…Y COMO EL ESTA DETENIDO PUE SU GENTE LO ESTA PELEANDO CON AYUDA DE TODA LA REGION,,,,PERO LOS SOLDADOS DE NOGALES ESTA APOYANDO AL GILO DEL CID JUNTO CON EL ROBY GARCIA DEL CERRO PRIETO………….

    LOL Reply:

    A ese Roby Garcia no le mataron unos hermanos o parientes hace algunos meses?

    carlos Reply:

    pues el jabali no tiene ningun rancho para aquellos rumbos los que le estan haciendo frente al gilo son los paleteros los sabori y el gigio de nogales o mascareñas, y al roby no le an matado a ningun hermano al ke le mataron un hermano fue al gilo en atil y a otro que lo torturaron y le sacaron un ojo el jabali solo se encargaba de limpiarle las plazas a la gente denogales y caborca y tambien se dedicaba a secuestrar y bajar mota todo mundo lo sabe

  16. el gilo delcid buelna no es mas ke un a rata de dos patas el ser mas askeroso del mundo porke ha matado muchisima gente inocente de su propio pueblo solamente una basura hace eso y ha robado a gente trabajadora ke han echo lo poco ke tenian con esfuerzo y matar ala gente con la ke creciste es no tener madre pero aki en la tierra no hay justicia pero en aya arriba si la hay yun dia recibiras lo merecido en realidad es digno de lastima ese monstruo

    oscar Reply:

    Pues ya se encontro con la horna de su zapatos no hayan que hacer los culones ahora si que pague todas las que debe penso que nadie les iba hacer frente al rebollo tambien que ya no tienen ni en que caerse muertos polleros de quinta ahora por que no siguen cobrando coutas o ya mataron a todos a los que le cobraran y los que no salieron huyendo o por que no se van a sasabe o altar culones oor que aya si se la van a pelar, todo era trankilo antes hasta que llegaron esos animales cobracoutas pero mira como andan ahora. Y la bola de pendejetes que andan con ellos que ni siquiera les pagan, esos si comen mas carne que la chihuahuada de las vacas de la gente bola de parasitos eso les pasa ala gente mierda que se creen mas que otros deperdida el negro no cobra coutas nis se mete con la gente que no se mete con el y no se lo van a kitar de encima

  17. Would like to read Oscar’s post but like many of the postings on this forum, the run-on sentences and slang make it difficult for me, a non-native Spanish speaker, to translate.

    Get the gist, however if anyone cares enough to translate his post, would appreciate their contribution.

  18. WOW! The author is so obsessed with the drug war and “knows” so much about them, he should join a cartel.

  19. who is winning the war?

  20. http://www.ahorasi.com/ofrecen-recompensa-millonaria-por-37-capos-del-narco/

    Ni el mundo lo hacen? pero la pgr pide recompensa por el 2000

    Cártel Beltrán Leyva.
    1. Arturo Beltrán Leyva, alias “El Barbas”.
    2. Mario Alberto Beltrán Leyva y/o Héctor Beltrán Leyva, alias “El General”.
    3. Sergio Villarreal Barragán, alias “El Grande”.
    4. Edgar Valdez Villarreal, alias “La Barbie”.

    B. Cártel Beltrán Leyva.
    1. Francisco Hernández García, alias “El 2000?; “El Panchillo”.
    2. Alberto Pineda Villa, alias “El Borrado”.
    3. Marco Antonio Pineda Villa, alias “El MP”.
    4. Héctor Huerta Ríos, alias “La Burra”; “El Junior”.

    http://www.ahorasi.com/ofrecen-recompensa-millonaria-por-37-capos-del-narco/

  21. QUE NO SE AGAN PENDEJO TODOS SI TODOS SABEMOS QUE EL NEGRO VALE PURA BERGA TRAICIONERO PERO TRAE LA COLA ENTRE LAS PATAS EL PUTO POR QUE TRAE LA CALACA SERCA QUE YA PRONTO SE LO VA A CRGAR LA BERGA ACUERDATE CHIVO CON QUIEN TE METISTE Y CUIDA U FAMILIA PUTOE L DICE SER DE SONORA PERO YA QUISIERAS HIJO DE TU petunia MADRE LA GENTE QUE CRESIMOS AQUI TENEMOS GUEVOS NO COMO TU RATA CULERA ACUERDATE PUTO QUE GANAR NO ES BUENO PERO NI PEDO AY TE VA AYEGAR LA BOLADORA DONDE ANDES BERGA CULON ATORELE ALOS BERGASOS Y NO MANDES ATU JENTE PUTO ENSEÑELES OK NO TIENES GUEVOS ACUERDATE PUTO Y EL SASABE Y TODA LA REGION ES DE NOSOTROS LE GUSTE O NO LES USTE O TU DI DONDE NOS TOPAMOS CHIVO TRAICIONERO XXX

  22. pues a todos se los va a llevar la verga por meterse con inocentes lacrashijas de su petunia madre y tu tambien pendejete de guevos es la gente que sale al campo a trabajar honradamente pa mantener a su familia no una bola de lacras que viven envenenando gente que necesitan droga y una pinchi pistolita pa sentirse hombres que bueno que los estaa matando los soldados muchos mexicanos nos alegramos de eso y parecen niñas cuando los agarran bola de culones payasos jajajaja maricas

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