Fueron Zetas, ¿Seguro?

Aug 27th, 2010 | By Michel Marizco | Category: General News, Organized Crime
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So, so far we’re up to 72 people in that mass grave near Matamoros; then two car-bombs in Cd. Victoria, then the killing of the ministerio publico into the murders. He was found on the highway.

Still want to tell me it’s the Zetas?

Pres. Felipe Calderón has been expounding on the point for days now, insisting that these migrants had been killed because they refused to work for the Zetas. Again with the Zetas. Last year, when the killings began along the Guatemala border, that was blamed on the Zetas, too. In fact, every time a new travesty breaks out, it’s usually the Zetas who are blamed. Not, mind you, that I have any love for the Zetas, but I do appreciate facts when I come across them and this excuse of the Zetas has been used so many times, it’s grown wearisome and frankly, suspect.

Let’s be clear here; Calderón has no proof. At last count, 31 of the 72 bodies had been identified. If the Mexican government can’t even identify the bodies of the dead, how are they going to identify the motive?  They’re not, it’s ridiculous.

In fact, he actually doesn’t know, he’s guessing. This is what he says about the Zetas in a press release issued this morning:

“Son ellos los que están recurriendo a la extorsión y al secuestro de migrantes como mecanismo de financiamiento y de reclutamiento debido a que están enfrentando una situación muy adversa para abastecerse de recursos y de personas.”

Very roughly: “It is they who keep returning to extortion and kidnapping of migrants as the financial mechanism and recruiting plan because they are facing a very adverse situation to supply themselves with resources and manpower.”

In other words, this is their modus operandi, and therefore, it is they who did this.

The president is taking much the same tack as his American counterparts. In the Americans’ case, they say the same thing about smugglers in general. Calderón’s convenient boogeyman is more specific, the Zetas.

That’s obscene. I’m going to go more with the Rev. Pedro Pantoja, director of the Casa del Migrante in Saltillo who tells  The AP: “The permissiveness and complicity of the Mexican state with criminals … is just as much to blame.”

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  1. I was just thinking the same thing….also, what a crazy morning with the investigator dead…the two bombs, 14 bodies found in acapulco, 8 burnt bodies in juarez, 4 killed by the army in juarez, nl….rough morning.

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  2. I believe it was the Zeta’s, they have their backs to the wall in Tamalupias right now, and the Gulf is slowly pushing them further south from the lucrative plazas that are transit points into the US. The Zetas are desperate, and desperation leads to brutal acts like this, and the kidnapping and murder of the mayor of Santiago a week or so ago. It was also Zetas who killed the PRI canidate in June, because he was probably complicit with the CDG. The CDG kills Zeta’s, and have more people, mroe resources, more allies, and more money, the Zeta’s in turn lash out in any way to hurt the Gulf, and maintain their continually decreasing rural territories, in the south of Tamalupias. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy, though CDG is adept at using PR to keep the people on their side, the Zeta’s truly are this desperate, low, and bloodthirsty.

    Plus, reports that the Zeta’s have been using Central and South American’s for gunmen have been coming in for awhile, as well as reports that these people are not paying, and Z’s are having a hard time finding soldiers. Meanwhile, the CDG seems to be growing in numbers and strength.

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    move Reply:

    What he said.

    Plus the sole survivor said that the gunman identified themselves as zetas. Seeing as how he was shot in the face and meant to die, I don’t think this other crazy conspiracy theory of the CDG setting the zetas up to look bad is true. Otherwise they wouldn’t shot the kid with the chance of him ending up dead before he could tell the world. If this was a set up to make the zetas look bad they would not shot him. They would of let him witness what happened, then let him go. Maybe would buy the story that it was CDG set up if the kid only got a severe beating, but he was shot in face. If you want to have a survivor to go off and spread the news in this massacre you don’t shoot them in the face.

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  3. nice theory move lol!

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  4. the only thing that could make anybody think that it wasn’t the zetas, is the fact that, the massacre was perpetrated in CDG’s controlled territory, and even so, It’s kind of hard to believe that los Golfos could let that guy live so he could go and tell everybody that los zetas killed all those immigrants, he got shot in the neck not on a leg, he was meant to die.

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  5. there is more than one witness identifying Zetas in these murder operations…(this was not a one time event)
    http://confirmado.net/internacional/35406-desgarrador-testimonio-de-una-esclava-de-los-zetas-narcos-mexicanos.html

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  6. I would say that this one stinks like a set-up. But It’s so damn low life that it has to be the Zetas. This can’t be La Familia. Juarez, I see them slipping, but I can’t see them doing something this disgusting, even though most of what I see any more is disgusting. But the Zetas are the worst low life fooks out there. I blame the Gulf boys and any one else who ever gave any credability to fookers. Their reign of terror needs to end. If it does show their desperstion if they are trying to recruit by force. Like usual, we will just have to see how it plays out. Damn, all the bullshit down south has my head spinning. Too, people. Way too much. Needs to end.

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  7. Oops, that should read it does show their desperation. and way too much people, way too much.

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  8. That’s obscene. I’m going to go more with the Rev. Pedro Pantoja, director of the Casa del Migrante in Saltillo who tells The AP: “The permissiveness and complicity of the Mexican state with criminals … is just as much to blame.”

    Y le faltó decir:

    Y la falta de cooperacion por parte de E.U. en el tráfico de armas, la disminución en el consumo y tráfico de dinero sucio que le da a los carteles de la droga el poder y los recursos para corromper a las autoridades en ambas lados de la frontera.

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  9. Pretty messed up shit..There was people from all over Central and South America among those people killed..As far as Zetas doing it..I dont think so despite the repetuniation they have in Mexico I dont think they are that stupid and barbaric and another thing that they have stated publicly before that they dont hire untrained individuals so unless they where planning on trainning them, that to me is another reason..

    I had heard before that CDG where kidnapping immgrants and making them think they where Zetas in training, then use them to do dirty work disguised as Zetas in order to cover their ass..Other things that have came up is that alot of these girls that dont make it to the US end up in the sex trade in Mexico suposedly working for Zetas or other criminal groups but if it was Zetas being money hungry and desperate why not salvage the women and force them into the sex trade?.

    I dont discard the posibility that this could be the act of some rouge criminals with former or even no types of affiliation to any particular gorup..ZZs have been known to go rouge and not follow orders from their superios and being that they where booted out of San Fernando recintly they could have some left overs doing buisness for them selfs, but unlike the real Zetas they leave one alive and fail to capiltalize on the potential profits..Shoot even kidney and plasma sales are worth something..Internal organs you name it people buy it if your that desparete..But over all to me its hard to point the finger at the Zetas automatically could be CDG could be somone else..
    In Mexico if you werent there when it happened you will never find out the truth, because nor the media or the Goverment will dare to go deeper into this investigation they will just blame the regulars..Like “son gente del Chapo” or “andan los Zetas” or “la Barbie es joto”..(J/K on the last one..ha ha)

    Peace BR.com..Me voy a poner bien KIUBOLLEE tonight con unas Coronitas color PIPI..
    And tomorrow umma open my Alphabet cereal and eat all the ZZss first..I

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    ilegal Reply:

    YEYO, talking about “son gente del chapo”, the guys who accidentally detonated a frag in Guadalajara were…gente del chapo, two of them got their legs ampetuniated, ya van a ser patas cortas originales.

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  10. here’s a rough translation of Julio Scherer Garcia’s, ” Wellcome To Hell”, it’s about the hell Central and Southern Americans have go through in hands of Mexican immigration authorities, zetas, federal, municipal, ministerial cops and other filth…In our southern border and on the way to the U.S, a poisonous air take us to landscapes that reminds us to the concentration camps. Undeniable testimonies from Central American and even South American immigrants give accounts of the tragedy. From September 2008 to February 2009, the Human Rights National Commission registered 198 cases that include 9758 kidnappings. Those numbers could reach up to 20000 kidnappings a year. The immigrants are exploited by gangs like Los Zetas, MS13, smugglers, and closing the corral are the municipal and ministerial cops, and a swarm of delinquents protected by badges and disguised with the clothes and ways of the power. The safety houses are hovels, and the food, once a day, tortillas, beans and rice, sometimes stinks. Nobody could figure out how many women are thrown into sodomy, sold to whoever pays for them.Visitor of the Human Rights National Commission, Mauricio Farah Gebara and his collaborator, Alejandro Hernandez Garcia, gave me access to the video recorded testimonies that gives account of the immense horror. Two Hondurian brothers arrived at the Tapachula bus station. The bus driver recommended them with two men, to whom he told, the brothers should be given a special price. Beaten up, together with 20 or more persons, they were taken to Arriaga. Once there, they were put inside a box car, and when the train started moving, three immigrant type looking men pulled they guns out. When they arrive in to San Luis, the group was drove in cattle trucks through a back road to a ranch, in which there were 50 more immigrants and a lot of heavily armed men. They told them that only by paying $2,500 dollars they could be able to get out of there. “They pointed a gun to my temple and forced me to call my relatives”, said one of the brothers “after the call, everything became ugly. They beat us up and they forced us to get on our knees for ours at a time, by night, they took our clothes off, we slept on the bare floor. One day they told us that they had killed “Morado”, a friend who couldn’t pay, we never saw him again”. A salvadorian tells that, in order to get on the train, they had to pay $300 pesos to the operator “The box car was full, we almost couldn’t breath, we were standing up and some times we step onto each other, but nobody argued about it, when the train stopped, we were forced to get off the box car. Armed men wearing ski masks were making sure we were getting off the train in order. They asked us if we had relatives in the U.S . Most of the people answered yes. They were order to get back on the train. The rest were abandoned on an open field”. “We were taken inside a warehouse, i was random picked, they welcomed me with a beat up as a warning to the others. There, they called my uncles in San Antonio, Tx. When they were on the phone, they were beating me up so my uncles could hear me. They were asking for a $3,000 dollar ransom. While they were sending the money i had to clean a disgusting backyard. It was the place we used as a restroom, they gave me a bucket and a broom, but the filth wouldn’t go away, i only gathered it up on a sewer. Picked up in Tierra Blanca, Veracruz, together with 12 more immigrants, a Colombian man was blindfolded, tied up and gagged, and thrown at gunpoint on a red truck. “I was frightened, because i was hearing the beatings they were giving to my friends who were screaming. Then, i was the next one. We were bleeding while they were telling us that we were worthless, fook ups, who would worry about us..” “On the flooded floor of a house, they pulled a 12 year old kid in front of us, they beat his fragile body with a wooden plank until he fainted. That’s how we are going to fook you guys up, so you better convince your relatives that they have to deposit 2500 green ones fast” . A group formed by a young man, his brother, his cousin and a friend, was picked up next to the Ixtepec tracks, in Oaxaca. They were taken to a warehouse in a town they couldn’t identify. “It was pretty hot. We spent two days without bread or water, on the third day, they offered us broth. We were many.Some of them were being taken away, and then they traded them for some others, until they took the girl: “They called my dad. I was crying because they were squeezing my arms pretty tight and they were stepping on me so he (my dad) could find out what was happening. They asked him for a $1,500 dollar deposit and they gave him a bank account number. After that, “El Caiman” came in. He assured me that i was going to be his woman. That night he dragged by the hair to a room, he raped me while he was telling me: I’m going to be your daddy until the bastard of your father sends me the money”. A 13 year old Guatemalan kid tells the story about him and his uncle’s kidnapping. It happened in Tierra Blanca (Veracruz). They were sleeping on a unpopulated area, when the delinquents appeared with their, “we take you now, you pay later”-promises. They were shoved into a cattletruck full of immigrants. They traveled for four days until they arrived to an empty warehouse in Monterrey. From there, they were making the calls. “My uncle and other persons were being beaten on the buttocks with a base ball bat just for fun. They would do it every day until they could get their money. One day my uncle was hit on the head, he bleed a big deal and to take care of his wound they gave me some dirty rags. There were some ladies who were being beat up too. They were always talking about trying to escape. They were left naked. One of them was beat up in front of us because she was closing her legs and was biting”. A Hondurian man told, without too many details, that, in Coatzacoalcos, Veracruz, he was detained by immigration agents, who then sold him to the Zetas. The Zetas took him to a barn, where he was communicated with his brother, in Illinois. While the money was deposited, they used to put a gun on his temple, and then pull the trigger, he didn’t know if the gun was loaded. When the payment was guaranteed, they let him go, after practicing oral sex to the kidnapper. An under age Hondurian girl was kidnapped together with 130 people. Handcuffed, they were beat up with thick chains and threatened with fire arms. Her father was vomiting blood and he fainted after each beat up. The ransom asked to that group was $900 dollars each. Since several of their relatives couldn’t pay, they were kept prisoners for three months, And after that, the ones who survived were released. Another Hondurian man tells about his kidnapping together with 80 people. They were picked up by a group of seven men who pretended to be Coyotes. They took them to Reynosa on a cattle truck escorted by a police car. They demanded a $3,500 dollar ransom each, otherwise they would have their organs harvested in order to get their money. His relatives paid, but he wasn’t released. He had to escape after 30 days of imprisonment inside a filthy warehouse.He also witness several people being beaten to dead, with a wooden plank and with fire arms. He added that inside that warehouse, there were men, women, children, old people, pregnant women and sick people as well. Another Hondurian man was kidnapped together with 200 immigrants, Central Americans and Brazilians. He was captive for 52 days, after that, he was released near the “Home Of The Immigrant” in Reynosa, Tamaulipas. A woman from Honduras was taken to a barn in which there were 400 kidnapped people, waiting for their relatives to pay the $3,500 dollars the armed commando was asking for their release. The 130 Guatemalan immigrants that were kidnapped by a group of 12 people wearing military uniforms and ski masks in Tenosique, Tabasco were not so lucky. The kidnappers were asking for a $7,000 dollar ransom each, very few were able to pay. They were often threatened with a jigsaw, powered drills and knives. “They kept us locked in a house for almost a month. They were not letting us communicate ourselves with our relatives or anybody, after a month, they told us: We are going to call your relatives so you can talk to them and tell them how much we are charging you to let you go. They told us: “if you don’t pay the $7,000 dollars, we call your relatives so they can hear you for the last time”. “When we arrived to Coatzacoalcos, they told us: Welcome to Hell”. If you refuse to tell your relatives that you were being mistreated , they would crack your head open right away”. -What did they do to you when you were talking on the phone? – They beat me up, they were slapping me across the face, They kill people over there, they kill them in front of everybody, The other day they killed like five people in that house over there. – did you see when they killed those five people? -yes. – How were they killed? – they were beaten to dead. -How much does a ransom go for- i asked Mauricio Farah Gebara. -An average of $2,500 dollars. But sometimes $100 dollars it’s enough- he said. I keep listening: “Some immigration agents, together with municipal, state and federal cops, plus the public office attorney, they administrate the crime and the impunity”.”The number of victims grow, far away from the categoric reports which we have being formulating publicly up to the higher authorities in the country. Our southern border is painted in red”. -What is, to administrate the crime? – i asked to the Human Rights National Commission visitor. – To immobilize the law. To let the crime run amok.

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    Wow, good stuff. You post good info. Makes sense.

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    vinotinto Reply:

    http://www.proceso.com.mx/rv/modHome/pdfExclusiva/82737

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  11. The Zeta’s don’t hire people without training? Nah, they will hire anyone whos willing and maybe able, there are reports all over the internet about Zeta’s hiring 19-20 year old kids, I’m sure they get ‘training’, or some rough form of it, shooting a rifle, chirping on a nextel, putting on a ski mask, but who are they kidding, they are a bunch of thugs now, with a penchant for extreme violence, just like El Teo in Tijuana. There are no more elite military types in the Zetas, or they are very few and far in between, Lascanzo and Z40 are probably some of the last who were a part of the ‘original Zetas’. As far as the massacre taking place in CDG territory, that’s not necessarily true, since the big battles of the first months of this year, the Zeta’s hold as been reduced to mostly rural areas in southern Tamalupias, so it makes perfect sense that Z’s still had a ranch out there, I think the fighting is kind of comparable to Iraq, US vs. insurgents. CDG controls most of the territory that matters, while the Z’s are hiding in the hills and small towns of southern Tampulias.

    I question things too, and the US media is esp. sloppy and mis informative when it comes to Mexico and the drug killing, but I think this one is right on point. I will agree that it could have been a band of renegade Zeta’s, but at this point they all are, like a bunch of pirates, or vikings.

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    YeYo Reply:

    The guy that survived was tied up and blind folded..He got up and walked 22 kilometers after bleeding two days in extremly hot weather..Bullshit!!! He was shot in the Jaw and scraped in the head a non lethal wound..But to survive and bleed and still have it in you to untie yourself and walk to San Fernando is straight out of a movie and to me just doesnt happen.Anyways, Is it safe to take the word of a person who has motives like getting out of his country and has been shot in the head not mention walked 22 kilometers to tell people there was a bunch of undocumented people dead in a barn??
    If it was the Zetas they would have killed him no doubt about it they kill for a living..Somthing isnt right..At some point in time these criminals have lost sense because killing 72 at once is just absurd for what ever reason.Zetas might be the worst of the worst but if they where so stupid they wouldnt be around anymore.

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    Vincent Hanna Reply:

    Good point.

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    J Reply:

    I think it’s possible, maybe a little unlikely, that the man survived, but that kinda thing happens. What I think is far less likely is the CDG killing 70 something immigrants, disguised as Zeta’s, letting one man live to further implicate the Zeta’s…..for the sole purpose of……what exactly? The Gulf has the high ground in almost every way imaginable in that state, they have (this is my opinion) support of the people, protection from the people, the valuable routes into the US, and support of other powerful cartels against the Zeta’s, in addition to most likely continued protection and support elements of the police/government. Zeta’s have a fraction of this, at best, and are already looked at as scum and extortionists, what would the Gulf gain? People would hate/fear the Zeta’s more? Immigrants would stop joining them? Maybe, but thats a stretch, and I doubt that the Gulf cartel is too worried about Zetas recruiting laborers from Honduras to fight them.

    I doubt the Zeta’s wanted this to leak out either, they didn’t dump the bodies, or anything, if that guy never escaped, I bet this would have been found months from now, or maybe just several mass graves. Either war, my gut feeling is it was the Zeta’s, and it’s just another chapter in a long, bloody, and increasingly vile and disgusting saga.

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    YeYo Reply:

    I do agree with J on alot of things ..I aint defending the Zs or anything but it just seems odd to me that given their image they would be willing to throw the little bit of honor and respect they have out the window with such a horific crime..

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    ilegal Reply:

    if a week go by, and the zetas hasn’t flooded the city with banners denying that they were the ones who killed those people, than we would have a winner. “el que calla otorga”

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    Rabbit Reply:

    I don’t know. look, the gulf is the second largest cartel in Mexico. They have survived pretty well. I know that they were fighting the Zetas, but I just don’t see them pulling a stunt like this. I mean, this might be something that Chapo could dream up, but that isn’t his turf. I believe that it was desperate men. I feel that the Zetas are those desperate men. Juarez is desperate right now, as well. But this isn’t their move. Everyone needs to look at the real culprits. they are looking for the right guys.

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  12. No se porque chihuahuas no han implementando el Plan DN II, ya es hora de eliminar toda esta lacra de Mexico.

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    ilegal Reply:

    lo que se ocupa es la operacion condor otra vez, ahi si, puro barrer basura del bando que sea, pero que la hagan con puro de las fuerzas especiales pa que rinda.

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  13. this is new….MÉXICO, D.F., 27 de agosto (apro).- Familiares de los guatemaltecos identificados entre las víctimas de la masacre de San Fernando, Tamaulipas, revelaron que días antes de la matanza Los Zetas exigieron rescate para liberarlos.

    Mientras crece la indignación y se generaliza la condena por la masacre, el padre de una de las cuatro víctimas guatemaltecas identificadas hasta el momento, Daniel Boche, dio a conocer que días antes su familia recibió llamadas de Los Zetas para exigir rescate por su hijo, de 17 años y dos de sus yernos, de 22 y 24 años, quienes salieron del departamento de Progreso, Guatemala, el pasado 9 de agosto con destino a Estados Unidos.

    Explicó que el fin de semana pasado hombres “con acento mexicano” le exigieron dos mil dólares por la libertad de cada uno de sus familiares.

    Este viernes, al confirmarse la identificación de cuatro guatemaltecos entre las víctimas, el gobierno de Alfonso Portillo reiteró hoy su “condena enérgica” por este hecho, y pidió a las autoridades mexicanas una exhaustiva investigación, así como acciones en defensa y protección de los inmigrantes.

    En el mismo tenor se expresó el secretario general de la Organización de Estados Americanos (OEA), José Miguel Insulza, quien condenó la matanza, subrayó la necesidad de “coordinar” en la región la lucha contra el crimen transnacional y demandó esclarecer los hechos.

    “Este trágico episodio refleja la confluencia de dos fenómenos que afectan el desarrollo de América Latina y su sistema democrático: la acción del crimen organizado y la desprotección que viven tantos compatriotas latinos que emigran en busca de un futuro mejor”, señaló Insulza en un comunicado.

    Mientras tanto, en México crecen las exigencias de renuncia de la comisionada del Instituto Nacional de Migración, Cecilia Romero. Este viernes, se sumaron a la demanda diversas organizaciones no gubernamentales defensoras de los derechos de los migrantes.

    El albergue “Hogar de la Misericordia”, de Chiapas, y la Casa del Migrante de Huimanguillo, Tabasco se sumaron a la protesta contra Romero.

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  14. Mi teoria es que fueron los gringos, ellos planearon y ejecutaron esta accion. Estan mandando una senal al sur de mexico y sudamerica en este momento que no pueden generar empleos: NO vengan a Estados Unidos, al mismo tiempo mantienen viva esta guerra, les interesa vender billones en armas, municiones y equipo a todos los paises al sur del rio grande, ejercitos y a toda clase de policias locales y por otro lado tambien le suministran armas a los carteles en un circulo vicioso y diabolico, todo esto para estimular su economia y/o el beneficio de unos pocos. Why not? Piensa mal y acertaras. A Calderon ya lo compraron y a ti?

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  15. LA LINEA is kicking some major ass right now.

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    J Reply:

    Why do you say this? Linea’s back is against the wall, just like the Zeta’s, except they have less territory, probably less people, but also more money/resources, but still. Killing the feds, the car bombs, trying to get the US involved in Juarez seems desperate at foolish at this point, Chapo’s people have somehow kept the pressure on, and barely make the headlines, if you didn’t know better, you’d think La Linea were the only ones in Jaurez. Also, look at any map of the cartels and their influence and power, Juarez is the smallest of them all, no question, their influence being reduced to a speck on a map, which is crawling with the enemy. Even CAF still hold Tijuana and surrounding areas, Juarez it seems are fighting for city blocks. It’s do or die time for La Linea, I think.

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    ilegal Reply:

    i’m not saying that they are wining, i’m just saying that they have launched heavy a wave of killings and all kinds of crimes crimes rarely seen in Chihuahua, in fact, check this out: (CHIHUAHUA, Chih, México). – Dueños de taxis, bares y restaurantes han estado cerrando desde la noche del jueves por que el narco los amenaza con “cuota” y los obligan a vender droga.
    Ayer viernes, luego de las declaraciones del gobernador del Estado, José Reyes Baeza sobre apoyar a taxista que son extorsionados, vino el desafió; un taxista fue ejecutado.
    Algunos negocios que se unieron a la protesta son cantinas, como La Antigua Paz, La Choperia, El Nasau, El Chili´s, así como otros restaurantes y bares. De la misma manera varios taxis dejaron de laborar desde anoche, luego que uno de sus compañeros muriera acribillado por sicarios.
    Así mismo personal de ventas de lGrupo Modelo y Cervecería Cuauhtémoc-Moctezuma, confirmó la versión del cierre de negocios, los cuales cancelaron pedidos que estaban programados para ayer viernes, dado que el fin de semana se incrementan el consumo de bebidas alcohólicas y las ventas.
    Según informes recabados por la policía, células criminales recorrieron el jueves por la tarde y noche más de 42 cantinas de la ciudad para exigir cuota de seguridad a fin de no ser molestados.
    Lo anterior provocó el terror de los comerciantes del gremio, que tomaron la decisión de cerrar este fin de semana o de manera permanente como medida de prevención.
    Jóvenes y adultos noctámbulos corroboraron que varios centros de diversión de la ciudad cerraron desde muy temprano.
    Cabe mencionar que durante uno de los recorridos de los sicarios el jueves por la tarde, llegaron a un negocio se encontraba a menos del 20 por ciento de ocupación, entraron cuatro hombres con armas largas para darle de plazo al dueño de entregarles 30 mil pesos como cuota, que le cobrarían para no destruir su local y disparar contra los asistentes.
    “¿De dónde saco 30 mil pesos si las ventas están en el peor nivel de la historia, sí, en el peor nivel de la historia?”, se cuestionó el comerciante, quien señaló que optó por cerrar este fin de semana.
    Por otra parte, fuentes de la Subdirección de Gobernación Municipal reportaron una baja sensible en la actividad de bares y cantinas desde el jueves en la tarde, la noche del mismo día y las primeras horas de trabajo de ayer viernes, a partir del medio día, debido a que escucharon versiones acerca de intentos de extorsión que obligaron a los comerciantes a cerrar.

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  16. A culture of death and greed, labeling one group as better or worse than the other is just another lie. The abuse of even one by other is a crime, we have become so spiritually disconnected from the truth of what we are. Oh’ dispare and hopelessness, our comfort in the familiar begins to define our humanity. Michael you have a great task to not let these events become comfortable and familiar because it is going to get worse before we evolve from this hell. Godspeed,

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    Well, without taking sides, it is all disgusting. But people are all human beings, even ones that make bad decisions. There are victims on all sides any more. Fathers, sons, brother, it hurts everyone. I just say it’s sad.

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  17. I heard Felipe Calderon was blaming hurricane katrina and the earthquake in haiti on the zetas.

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    Vincent Hanna Reply:

    I heard that shit too. The internet told me that.

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    drift Reply:

    fook me! i heard that Chile’s mining company was being extorted also by the Zetas South American connection, this explains why they cant afford to pay for the rescue of they’re miners and they’re salary… true story……….

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    ilegal Reply:

    i heard Z40 was going to run for Mexico’s president in 2012, i think that’s what the Mayan’s predictions are all about.

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    Curious Reply:

    The zetas were also behind 9/11 and responsible for nazi germany.

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    Curious Reply:

    And the zetas were the ones who raped that gay black dude’s sister.

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    ilegal Reply:

    the zetas killed 2 Pac because he was singing songs for the contras.

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    YeYo Reply:

    Grab Yo Children,,Cause they Raping Everyboy Round Here..HAHA..That video was too funny..

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    Curious Reply:

    yeah that shit was hilarious it looked like something you’d see on chappelle’s show but it was a real news report

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    Curious Reply:

    The zetas were responsible for Vanilla Ice’s career.

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    yanawana Reply:

    and milli vanilli

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    ilegal Reply:

    they say the zetas became a bunch of son of bitches because they were molested by Michael Jackson.

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    Curious Reply:

    They are also the reason michael jackson turned white.

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    ilegal Reply:

    yeah, at that time los zetas were extorting only black people and Michael Jackson said “fook this, i’m going whitey, good bye crack, hello crystal meth”, lol!!

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    Curious Reply:

    lol…too funny you, beat me

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  18. Wow, I never knew the Zetas were so popular! fook me!

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    ilegal Reply:

    does he looks like an old friend of ours or what? http://www.milenio.com/sites/www2.milenio.com/files/images/ataquecandidato_efe.preview.jpg

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  19. All funny but I think you guys need to take a look at the rape.murder,extortion and beatings that is a constant for the migrants from further South heading to the US to make some cash and realize at it’s core, their may really be something deviant in Mexican culture that needs to be examined .If this type of shit was being done by Southern Hillbillies you guys would be screaming about it.Mexicans do it and you seem to think it’s funny…Fookers

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    ilegal Reply:

    we make fun of it because we know there is no solution for that, that’s what we Mexicans do, we even laugh at death

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    Gabriel Reply:

    Jerry,
    If you regulary read this blog you should know that only the gavachos who kill immigrants who savages, mexicans can rape, torture, extrort and mass murder immigrants but Arizona is still to blame.

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    ilegal Reply:

    I don’t think so, we call savages people who murder someone without any justfication, gabachos or mexicans, you are reading it right now, the zetas killed 72 immigrants and nobody is glorifying the murderes, so don’t come with that BS please, it makes you look pathetic.

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    Curious Reply:

    Jerry and Gabriel, nobody is laughing about the deaths of the 72 immigrants. No where in any of my comments do I make fun of or laugh about the death of 72 immigrants. That was horrible and there is no possible way to justify or ever defend that. I think you just saw people joking around and figured you would be lame and try and use that against people who disagree with you.

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  20. Your not retarded after all Jerry! I like your point!

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    Vincent Hanna Reply:

    I believe it’s reh-tard, like rainman.

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    Drift Reply:

    It’s frowned upon to be a re-tarr, just like masturbating on a airplane! People are so sensitive now, dAmn u bin laden!!!!

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    Lol! So sad but so true.

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  21. It cracks me up when people use the race card to justify ignorance. But ignorance is ignorance no matter what your skin color is. A lot of you need to put your mentality in check. This is why I always say that some of you are just as ignorant as narcos. Sit back and think you are better, cuz that’s all you are doing is thinking. Ignorant thinking.

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    Jerry Reply:

    The Mexican people like the US people are a mixed bag of many races and peoples Rabbit..Who is playing the race card? If you meant me i think i was playing the “fooked up culture’”card……It was a lazy argument and unfair….sorry

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    rofl Reply:

    r funny, actually 70 percent of the mexican people are mestizo, 10 percent spanish, and 20 percent indengeous population. I would hardly argue that they are as mixed as the US people, where you got races from all over the world.

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    I was talking about the other comment. I agree, the culture has gotten fooked up.

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    Curious Reply:

    Rabbit, I have disagreed with you before and I disagree with you on this. My culture hasn’t changed since you were in the game or decades before that. Same shit, different toilet maybe, but it is the same Mexican culture. My Mexican culture won’t change unless an atomic bomb hits. It is still about family, money, good food, big Chevrolet trucks, big tires and good looking women…what else do you need? If you think this massacre of these immigrants is cool with the majority of Mexicans then you don’t know a thing about Mexican culture.

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    Wait, I love part of the Mexican culture. didn’t mean to offend you. I just dislike some of the bad shit I have seen down there recently. Have a lot of Mexican friends. Sorry I was inconsiderate. My bad.

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    Curious Reply:

    I have a lot of Mexican friends? What? That is what klansmen say when a gang of Black or Mexican dudes find them.

    But for real, aint shit changed. For real, nobody likes the crazy shit going on down there. Especially the Mexicans down there.They hate it. I just got off the phone with a relative and for the first time in his life he told me to not go down there for me and my families safety. As fooked up as shit is down there, that isn’t what Mexicans are about.

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    Look, I mean that I am very close with Mexican people. Weddings, dinners, holidays, vacations. Like my best friends. I understand the Mexican people bettwr than anyone. A whole family lives with me on my ranch. I sure as hell ain’t no klansman. But what is going on in Mexico is really sad and bad. That’s all I meant.

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    Curious Reply:

    @Rabbit, sorry i got a little wound up. Just when people insult an entire culture, who are you going to rule out? But I know what you mean and of all people, I know you are the last person to hate. Just took it personal I guess. Sorry.

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  22. Hey, has anyone ever heard of Michael Normon out of Tucson? I just read an article written by Gregg Yokum. It says some pretty unflatering things about Michael Normon and his family. I have known Michael for many years. I never knew any of this crap. Someone give me a heads up, give me some background.

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    Jerry Reply:

    Do you mean the Norman brothers that owned LittleAbners steakhouse on Silverbell,flew planes,ripped off visitors from the east coast in the 70′s?
    That family was famous in” the cowboy/hippie weed smuggler ” type of fame

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  23. now that doesn’t sound good.

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  24. what kind of shit chris?

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  25. Same people, but that isn’t what bothered me. The part about working for the law bothered me.

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  26. I want to read the story.We used to drink out at their bar (lunch and after work) I pity the people we used to build houses for back then! The dad shot his beautiful girlfriend in the face (she lived but wow what a mess)and killed himself…I really liked him (ex airline pilot) but she was the perfect gangster girlfriend…beautiful,smart, ex girlfriends in law and justice…the boys knew everything that was coming their way and one of them(forget which..we’ll call him the dumb one… used to brag to just about everyone in the bar.I think there was a story about them in Esquire.Maybe .Hey they seemed ok to me but then again I was just buying 2lb porterhouse steak,ranch beans,Texas toast and the occasional line of blow in that creepy bathroom from the beautiful waitresses…they always had lots of good looking women and fast cars.
    The boys seemed to be in and out of Prison in the 80′s but then sort of lived a quiet life.They had or have a mesquite firewood yard off of 22nd and park. You would think that would have raised some eyebrows!

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    You are talking about the bar m cattle company. I’m talking about working for the law though.

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  27. http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tw/06-15-95/cover.htm things never change!

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    That was the same article I read. Crazy.

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    J Reply:

    That guy Greg sounds like a real scumbag. People know the life once they get in it, all this ‘well he got less time then me….and I wasn’t even a bad guy’ is some child like logic.

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    He is scum, justifying his dirty deads. The guy is trying write a book. No one should buy it. I mean, I was really surprised to hear about Michael. I mean, I never had any dealings with him, but know he ran a fairly big marijuana smuggling outfit in Tucson in the mid 1990′s. He had a dining cowboy type establishment called the bar m cattle company. Nice bar, decent food. To be honest, the whole thing is sickening. But Gregg Yokum is a total scumbag. The guy has no conscience.

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    jerry Reply:

    This stuff is so old it’s like remembering who killed JR. but I remember hearing they would turn in or rip off guys that ripped other people off or east coast guys that arrived in town and immediately tried to “meet the mexicans”….hey maybe that was just PR but it sort of sounded like justice….they at least didn’t kill weed tourists and dump them at Gates Pass like many guys did back then……all and all they should have stuck with the Steakhouse… they might have had a chain by now

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    Well, you are right. But let there be no mistake, Michael Normon ran a fairly big pot ring. I knew several of his co defendants. Michael never snitched any of them out. Mike got 17 years. The whole thing sickens me. Just goes to show, you never really know the guy next to you. But he didn’t snitch me out. Who knows what the truth is. Do I believe the rat Greg Yokum. Hell no. Its all dirty as hell.

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    edge of 17 Reply:

    Wow ! Been awhile since I last saw them. The last conversation I had with Steve Norman, I pretty much told him what a scum bag he was and I would do it all over again ! These guys were friends with a judge who is now dead.

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    Judge Mehan was the head Judge in Pima county. Judge mehans sone was one of the witnesses at michael norman’s trial in 1995. But Michael worked with the Sameniego outfit. (Tepido). Crazy shit. I read the above article that another friend sent my way. We were all sick over it.

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    edge of 17 Reply:

    Some things are better off with the dead, and that’s where they should stay .That’s how I see it.
    In Sam’s defense, remember there are two sides to the story.

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    For sure, Girl. I hear you. I just know these dudes like so many others. Do you remember louis and frank arceniega? I know too many scumbags, I guess. But I agree with you.

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    I spent a lifetime on the border. I guess that you do end up running into a lot of shit

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    edge of 17 Reply:

    Yes I remember them.
    My father would tell me that at some point in my life, he hoped I would stop learning my lessons the hard way.
    No matter where one lives,it’s all about the choices we make.

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    He is right. I don’t live anywhere near there now. I got away.

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    edge of 17 Reply:

    Question,what happened to Amado’s son? If they’re still holding him any chance his uncle can get him out ?

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    The Rabbit Reply:

    I don’t think that is how it will go down. They were talking a lot of crap about extroditing people when they picked him up, but who knows. They probably don’t have much on him.

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  28. [...] President Calderón is er overigens van overtuigd dat de daders tot de Zetas zouden behoren, maar lang niet iedereen is het daar per definitie mee eens. [...]

  29. Because everyone knows (and fears to some extent) the Zetas, every wannabe thug that is trying to extort money or control people claims that they are Zetas. A few months ago a friend of mine in Sonora was getting calls from people claiming to be Zetas stating that they would kill his family etc. He stood up to them and they disappeared because they were just loser punks. I am not saying that is what happened here, but who knows, maybe someone was trying to play around in the pollero/extortion rings, got spooked and decided to cut their loses, coach a witness and disappear. Anyone who really knows crime knows that 72 people are worth a lot more dead than alive. Just a thought…

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  30. Breaking News!!! Video de los Zetas Killing it!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_74d7Bnbo&feature=player_embedded#!

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    ilegal Reply:

    hey YeYo, next time check your sources man, those are not Zetas, the guy with the hat is La Tuta, and the other guy is El Chango Mendez, both from La Familia Michoacana, you can tell by the way they dress, pinchis chicharroneros, lol!!!

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  31. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/705123.html

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  32. These were definitely Zetas, don’t you know who controls San Fernando?? You think CDG would be so close? Camargo and SF are off limits to them……but there is definately some cover up from the Goverment, I don’t think the story is true….they did not kill them because they refused to work for them, they killed them because they were simply not profitable…..

    Remember something, the Zetas of today are not the military trained traitors the the CDG hired back in the 90′s, most of these are rutheless marihuanos cobardes…..

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  33. Just to inform all that Edgar Valdez Villareal is on custody at the PFP facility.
    Ya cayo La Barbie!!!

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  34. ese territorio no es de los cetillas de mierda . . por mas que lo y la mayoria quisiera que esas madres patetica excusa de narcos jamas existieran dudo que sean ellos la vvd simplemente porque el territorio ese no es exactamente de esas mierdas

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